Firefly
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No Bob.. it wasn't there-- they ADDED it... hence the statement "They ADDED A CLAUSE"
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No Bob.. it wasn't there-- they ADDED it... hence the statement "They ADDED A CLAUSE"
Luckyme
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What a fine way to put it in 8 simple statements...and thanks!
Firefly
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Firefly
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We weren't talking about someone coming to my door now were we?
Castle law is a totally different subject than carrying all around the US like the wild wild west....
It's amazing to me that people really live in such fear.... geesh-- do you guys all check your toothpaste for poison every morning?
I leave my house unlocked... keys in my cars and bike..... I just don't live in such fear.....
Arr MiHardies
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I don't think the quote is exactly right, I think it's "...don't you ever stand for that kind of thing. If someone tries to kill you, you try to kill em right back" but I fully agree.
Bob Denman
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Bob Denman
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Oh; The A.C.L.U. didn't challenge their statute. They questioned them about it and Keenesaw basically asked them for a bit of help with how to word it...
It was understood from the beginning that it was not a law to be enforced; but a statement to be made...
It was understood from the beginning that it was not a law to be enforced; but a statement to be made...
Firefly
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Well---- I can tell you while I did sweat a bit during my recent insurance claim on my GS.... I came out smelling like a chocolate covered rose. Got more than I paid for my 5 year old Spyder with 56,000 miles on it.... :doorag:
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Good conversation everyone-- and pretty civil for the most part......Hope everyone who wants to will exercise their 2nd Amendment rights as they see fit.... I just CHOOSE not to.... and that is the key...... having the CHOICE. :thumbup: Maybe I'm really a Canadian at heart---- even though the won't let me in !!!
Firefly
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So it's a totally moot point.
Brilliant waste of time and money to prove a point... that they didn't end up proving because of the exemptions....... :roflblack:
Bob Denman
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Maybe it's because you don't like their version of "bacon"... :roflblack:
smoky
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If the situation is at the point that I get the feel that it's my life or his, I am sure glad my Smith and Wesson Life Insurance policy is paid up and I can cash it in. I think any rational person would agree with this.....:bowdown:smoky
WingmanRT
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Carrying
True. You said "Whatever items they were taking were not worth the life of a young 18 year old - no way - no how.... no matter how much a of a bad person he was." I agree. No money or material things are worth killing for. Way & How: My family's personal safety, lives and well being ARE worth stopping a "bad person" for. Sadly, Bad Persons don't like witnesses or care about our safety or laws. If an 18 year old Bad Person points a gun at me or mine with the intent to do harm, they have forfeited the right to cry "No fair. You have a gun too."
As for me not being in the situations I mentioned, does that mean if the statistic isn't about ME personally, it isn't real? If the crime is committed against my next door neighbor, then it doesn't count? In what universe is that even logical? And as it so happens, I actually have been robbed at gun point. So, yes, I do get to be a REAL statistic when I grow up. What was your point again?
I don't carry a gun out of fear. I carry it as a preventive measure. Yes, the odds of violent crime threatening me and mine are slim, but so is crashing my bike, and yet... I wear a helmet. Or pay life insurance for the last several decades, even though the odds of me dying (in my younger years) was microscopic. In case I do, my family is protected. The gun is not out of fear, but for the ability to protect my family in the off hand (and steadily increasing) chance that violence does intrude into my life (again).
Here is a point of my own: you seem to be under the impression that I (and others) are trying to change your point of view on the right to carry a concealed weapon. I'm not. I was explaining that I do because crime isn't isolated anymore and happens to good people in all locations. Some people don't carry out of fear, they carry to "inoculate" themselves (and reduce) against the admittedly small odds that bad things will happen to them or their families. They are not relying on the government (minutes way... I love that!) to protect them, but are empowering themselves to do so.
You clearly are never going to carry a weapon and I am okay with that. I have no desire to influence you one way or the other. Your mind is made up. Guns:Evil. Cool. We get it. You don't want a gun.
True. You said "Whatever items they were taking were not worth the life of a young 18 year old - no way - no how.... no matter how much a of a bad person he was." I agree. No money or material things are worth killing for. Way & How: My family's personal safety, lives and well being ARE worth stopping a "bad person" for. Sadly, Bad Persons don't like witnesses or care about our safety or laws. If an 18 year old Bad Person points a gun at me or mine with the intent to do harm, they have forfeited the right to cry "No fair. You have a gun too."
As for me not being in the situations I mentioned, does that mean if the statistic isn't about ME personally, it isn't real? If the crime is committed against my next door neighbor, then it doesn't count? In what universe is that even logical? And as it so happens, I actually have been robbed at gun point. So, yes, I do get to be a REAL statistic when I grow up. What was your point again?
I don't carry a gun out of fear. I carry it as a preventive measure. Yes, the odds of violent crime threatening me and mine are slim, but so is crashing my bike, and yet... I wear a helmet. Or pay life insurance for the last several decades, even though the odds of me dying (in my younger years) was microscopic. In case I do, my family is protected. The gun is not out of fear, but for the ability to protect my family in the off hand (and steadily increasing) chance that violence does intrude into my life (again).
In the real world: In NC, according to FBI statistics, (which I assume you will give me as a valid source) there is 3.6% chance my wife or I will experience a violent crime, murder, forcible rape, or aggravated assault (IN A GIVEN YEAR) [39,885 REPORTED crimes divided by a population of 2.2 million]. This does not include: robbery, property crime, burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, or arson, because... as you say, "not worth the life of.. blah blah blah". If included, those crimes increases the chances that one of us will be the victim of one of these crimes to 39.2%. [433,886 instances divided by a population of 2.2 million x the two of us.. or does she not count either, because it isn't me?]
Here is a point of my own: you seem to be under the impression that I (and others) are trying to change your point of view on the right to carry a concealed weapon. I'm not. I was explaining that I do because crime isn't isolated anymore and happens to good people in all locations. Some people don't carry out of fear, they carry to "inoculate" themselves (and reduce) against the admittedly small odds that bad things will happen to them or their families. They are not relying on the government (minutes way... I love that!
) to protect them, but are empowering themselves to do so.You clearly are never going to carry a weapon and I am okay with that. I have no desire to influence you one way or the other. Your mind is made up. Guns:Evil. Cool. We get it. You don't want a gun.
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Firefly
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True. You said "Whatever items they were taking were not worth the life of a young 18 year old - no way - no how.... no matter how much a of a bad person he was." I agree. No money or material things are worth killing for. Way & How: My family's personal safety, lives and well being ARE worth stopping a "bad person" for. Sadly, Bad Persons don't like witnesses or care about our safety or laws. If an 18 year old Bad Person points a gun at me or mine with the intent to do harm, they have forfeited the right to cry "No fair. You have a gun too."
As for me not being in the situations I mentioned, does that mean if the statistic isn't about ME personally, it isn't real? If the crime is committed against my next door neighbor, then it doesn't count? In what universe is that even logical? And as it so happens, I actually have been robbed at gun point. So, yes, I do get to be a REAL statistic when I grow up. What was your point again?
I don't carry a gun out of fear. I carry it as a preventive measure. Yes, the odds of violent crime threatening me and mine are slim, but so is crashing my bike, and yet... I wear a helmet. Or pay life insurance for the last several decades, even though the odds of me dying (in my younger years) was microscopic. In case I do, my family is protected. The gun is not out of fear, but for the ability to protect my family in the off hand (and steadily increasing) chance that violence does intrude into my life (again).In the real world: In NC, according to FBI statistics, (which I assume you will give me as a valid source) there is 3.6% chance my wife or I will experience a violent crime, murder, forcible rape, or aggravated assault (IN A GIVEN YEAR) [39,885 REPORTED crimes divided by a population of 2.2 million]. This does not include: robbery, property crime, burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, or arson, because... as you say, "not worth the life of.. blah blah blah". If included, those crimes increases the chances that one of us will be the victim of one of these crimes to 39.2%. [433,886 instances divided by a population of 2.2 million x the two of us.. or does she not count either, because it isn't me?]
Here is a point of my own: you seem to be under the impression that I (and others) are trying to change your point of view on the right to carry a concealed weapon. I'm not. I was explaining that I do because crime isn't isolated anymore and happens to good people in all locations. Some people don't carry out of fear, they carry to "inoculate" themselves (and reduce) against the admittedly small odds that bad things will happen to them or their families. They are not relying on the government (minutes way... I love that!
You clearly are never going to carry a weapon and I am okay with that. I have no desire to influence you one way or the other. Your mind is made up. Guns:Evil. Cool. We get it. You don't want a gun.
Again.... you're putting words into my mouth I never said. When did I ever say, or even IMPLY that Guns were Evil ? I didn't. I don't think guns are bad or evil. They are only bad or evil in the hands of the wrong people... and too many of the wrong people own them in my personal opinion.
The way you look at the crime statistics is... well... interesting to say the least. To just divide the number of violent crimes by the population and think those are your chances of being involved in such a crime is a stretch... there are far more variables. Many that are involved in such crimes as shootings (think gang and drug related shootings for example) put themselves into such harmful situations. To be honest with the numbers, you should factor those situations OUT of your chances -- unless you belong to a gang or deal drugs.
Certainly the crime is REAL if it's your neighbor... but that isn't what we're talking about.... we're talking about YOU riding YOUR gun on YOUR Spyder. Everyone (including me) has stories of family and friends that had such and such happen to them. I had a triple murder years ago not a 1/2 mile from me (drug related BTW)... but it wasn't ME... and I'm talking about MY chances (or yours) of such an event happening to us... and the point is that with all those that carry out here... it appears that very few (if any) have had a need to use their CCW... and since the weapon is CONCEALED.. you really can't claim it as a crime deterrent.... the bad guys don't know you're carrying if it's concealed.
It's a comfort for you against the bad guys.. no problem... I just don't need such comfort.
Carry (hahaha) on......... :thumbup:
BajaRon
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On the one hand, amazing, on the other, quite predictable. At least part of the disagreement is due to people having a different 'Fact Set'.
Of course there are always those who think guns are evil and the discussion ends there.
Tyrants and evil dictators have taken advantage of those who are willing to give up their right to own weapons of self defense throughout history. Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini are examples who carefully manipulated the anti-self defense concept, removing weapons from the hands of the common people and promising safety to all before implementing their version of Eutopia. Things just went smoother for them that way.
It may be a cliche but the statement; "If gun ownership is made a crime, then only criminals will own guns" is very true. Just look at Mexico or many other nations around the world today. And if you think it can't happen here, ask the Jews of Germany, and they are just one example.
The fact remains that when law abiding citizens are allowed to own and carry firearms, everyone is safer. There are those that don't like this fact and some who refuse to acknowledge it. But it has been repeated over many times.
It is a classic division between the conservative and liberal mind set, a reliable generalization that holds true, though exceptions probably exist.
The conservative may not personally feel the need to own or carry a firearm, but they are perfectly fine with, and support the right of other to do so.
A liberal who does not want to own or carry a firearm feels the need to make sure no one else does either.
Of course there are always those who think guns are evil and the discussion ends there.
Tyrants and evil dictators have taken advantage of those who are willing to give up their right to own weapons of self defense throughout history. Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini are examples who carefully manipulated the anti-self defense concept, removing weapons from the hands of the common people and promising safety to all before implementing their version of Eutopia. Things just went smoother for them that way.
It may be a cliche but the statement; "If gun ownership is made a crime, then only criminals will own guns" is very true. Just look at Mexico or many other nations around the world today. And if you think it can't happen here, ask the Jews of Germany, and they are just one example.
The fact remains that when law abiding citizens are allowed to own and carry firearms, everyone is safer. There are those that don't like this fact and some who refuse to acknowledge it. But it has been repeated over many times.
It is a classic division between the conservative and liberal mind set, a reliable generalization that holds true, though exceptions probably exist.
The conservative may not personally feel the need to own or carry a firearm, but they are perfectly fine with, and support the right of other to do so.
A liberal who does not want to own or carry a firearm feels the need to make sure no one else does either.
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