She laid down on me

[Kratos]

I will "plan" for the breakdown...

The good thing about these threads is that us "newbies" can use them for preventative measures. This has informed me that I need to plan for a breakdwon. So before I go on a long trip with my spyder, I'm gonna have in a place a setup strategy for spyder failure. Need to shop around for good road-side plans. I love the OP's plan that gave him 2 hour drive coverage. That's nice. I'm gonna look into getting these types of perks on my plan. I also need to setup a "rental car" strategy for wherever I'm going in case we are spyderless for the vacation and need some type of transportation.

 

[Tango]

BRP had better correct these issues permanently or else the only thing remaining permanent will be their reputation of making a product fraught with problems and reliability issues -- which will permanently impair their future sales.

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The only way to get BRP to clean up its act is to hit em where it hurts. Their wallet! nojoke If everyone keeps buying a flawed product, they will keep selling it!!! :banghead: Tom :doorag:

 

[cjackg]

I'm just curious and need to ask this.
I am not in the least trying to be confrontational.
I seem to remember you did extensive modifications on your air box and then played with the O2 sensor to compensate for the additional air.

Were these mods still in place?
Perhaps they could be at least in part a cause for the problem?

Roger, I was about to ask the same question...but,
even if those mods did not cause the problem, you can bet some dealers will be very quick to blame any home-made engine mods when you have a problem !

 

[Farmboy]

I'm just curious and need to ask this.
I am not in the least trying to be confrontational.
I seem to remember you did extensive modifications on your air box and then played with the O2 sensor to compensate for the additional air.

Were these mods still in place?
Perhaps they could be at least in part a cause for the problem?

yes and no... did not work, back in the winter, 3000 miles ago. She did not like too much air. Big air kits do not work on the spyders like on other bikes I put all back together stock. Cost me an 110.00 air box.
thats why I deleted the mod. and pictures. Did not want any one else trying it. Never touched the throttle body, no need to.

 

[dlennox]

Add me to the list of frustrated rt-s owners. Wife and I left Cheyenne for Durango on monday and made it to Almosa without a problem, spent the night and started out for the remaining leg to Durango and made it as far as Paragosa (sp) Springs when out of no where the bike went into limp mode. Rode in limp mode the remaining 44 miles into Durango and went right to the dealership "Fun Center"; after a three hour wait service guy came out and said it was the Steering Angle Sensor and DPS offset, reset both codes and said problem solved. I paid my bill and went merilly on my way three miles later went into limp mode again. dealership now closed for the night, will try again tomorrow. Wife not overly happy nor exicted about spending another day hanging around a dervice center, worst of all all car rentals are sold out so we're stranded in Durango wondering how we get back to Cheyenne if they can't figure it out. Bottom line I don't care how many of you out there think that the RT is a reliable machine the only one I'm concerned about is mine and it isn't.

 

[Farmboy]

Add me to the list of frustrated rt-s owners. Wife and I left Cheyenne for Durango on monday and made it to Almosa without a problem, spent the night and started out for the remaining leg to Durango and made it as far as Paragosa (sp) Springs when out of no where the bike went into limp mode. Rode in limp mode the remaining 44 miles into Durango and went right to the dealership "Fun Center"; after a three hour wait service guy came out and said it was the Steering Angle Sensor and DPS offset, reset both codes and said problem solved. I paid my bill and went merilly on my way three miles later went into limp mode again. dealership now closed for the night, will try again tomorrow. Wife not overly happy nor exicted about spending another day hanging around a dervice center, worst of all all car rentals are sold out so we're stranded in Durango wondering how we get back to Cheyenne if they can't figure it out. Bottom line I don't care how many of you out there think that the RT is a reliable machine the only one I'm concerned about is mine and it isn't.

I hope they can get you up and running this morning!! I do not see my dealer even looking at mine for at least a week here. there main thing is boats and there on the lake. all others take a back seat. They do have a new service MGT and he seams concerned. I have seen a lot of brake downs on here lately. I wish you and your wife well and safe trip.

 

[SpyderMonkei]

Sorry new to the RT

I am sorry, I am sure that this message has been asked and answered before ... but since I am an owner of my second Spyder (the first one in 2008 was an RS), this time a 2012 RT Limited, I would ask if these problems, any of them, that have been reported and chatted about here are also happening on the 2012?

What should I be looking for or maybe expect down the road?

I already to my best to keep my RPMs over 3000 when gearing and riding ...


Keith

Maybe there is a link that addresses all these issues?

 

[cjackg]

From what I have read here over many months, I believe the 2012s have not had the same rash of TB problems that the 2011s experienced. I have a 2012 Ltd and previously had a 2010 RT and never had those kind of problems with either.

I see you are not far from here in N. Tenn... If you get down towards Chattanooga sometime, get in touch and we can meet up somewhere for a ryde.

Jack

 

[schnauzermom]

Throttle Body

OK, you guys have me freaked out right now. My husband and I are taking a 2500 mile trip in 3 weeks. He on his Harley and me on my new 2011 RTS-SE5. I have 1400 miles on it now, absolutely no problems so far, (knock on wood). But we'll be on some pretty remote roads in MT,WY,ID. I believe they did a software download for the throttle body when I first got it? Does that sound right? If not would they do a pre-emptive strike and fix a possible problem?? Probably not untless it happens I am thinking.

 

[spyder3]

OK, you guys have me freaked out right now. My husband and I are taking a 2500 mile trip in 3 weeks. He on his Harley and me on my new 2011 RTS-SE5. I have 1400 miles on it now, absolutely no problems so far, (knock on wood). But we'll be on some pretty remote roads in MT,WY,ID. I believe they did a software download for the throttle body when I first got it? Does that sound right? If not would they do a pre-emptive strike and fix a possible problem?? Probably not untless it happens I am thinking.

The latest TB update was out on April 13th. If you received the latest update you should be good to go! Enjoy and be safe.:thumbup:

 

[schnauzermom]

Thank YOu

The latest TB update was out on April 13th. If you received the latest update you should be good to go! Enjoy and be safe.:thumbup:

Thanks so much Spyder3, yes it was after the 13th cause we purchased it at the end of April.......I know better than to let the forum get in my head too much, but when you read it over and over and are going to nowhere land for a couple of weeks, I get paranoid, although I have had NO problems whatsoever.

 

[TexasSpyder]

Harley Davidson Limp Mode?

Harley seems to have some issues with their "Limp Mode" I just googled Harley Davidson Limp Mode and there is a lot of reading there.

J. D.

 

[jmcbow]

Lets remember that there are many Spyder owners that have put thousands of miles on their units "without" any significant problems. I do agree, I wish that BRP would re-think the whole "Limp Mode" thing. At the very least, minimize the number of issues/problems that would dictate having the Spyder going into limp mode. ray:

 

[spyderraven]

It's unfortunate you have come to that conclusion. When you find something you want to buy, i would advise NOT going to a forum because you will find negatives on EVERY vehicle. I came to this forum looking for answers, both good and bad. 1 year and 6500 miles later i could not be happier.

+1 for truth ^^

 

[Ga Blue Knight]

Keep in mind Forums of any kind make it seem that there are millions of problem with a product. When you look at how many Spyders are out there running well versus those that have issues you would get a better idea. On the other hand if you are one who is having continued problems that is unacceptable! It seems now a days that the consumer is an unpaid employee of a manufactures Quality Control department. While each problem is unique there needs to be some research into patterns to determine what's really going on. Is it bad throttle bodies or bad software? Is it bad setup by dealer or poor manufacture on the assembly line?

Also what effect does the rider have in all of this. My sons Spyder quit on a ride last week. It just died, no codes no gauges etc. the grey screen of death! Turned out to be just a bad battery. Was there any warning? Sure was, his bike went into limp mode a week before. Took it to the dealer who's answer was "well could not find anything, I guess it was just a glitch". Well I bet he did not even check anything really well since he did not charge us!

If you look honestly at all of the Spyder Issues I'd bet most are due to someone in the process not doing what they are supposed to be doing rather than massive mechanical defects. I have a Hindle exhaust and a K&N filter on mine and as the Hindle wears out I will most likely go back to stock exhaust and air filter. I don't really get that much improvement anyway and the noise makes it hard to hear the music. Keeping it stock may or mya not help Ms. nanny from visiting but it can't hurt!

 

[Buttsy]

Harley seems to have some issues with their "Limp Mode" I just googled Harley Davidson Limp Mode and there is a lot of reading there.

J. D.

Hmm..........kinda funny the problem seems to be not unique to CanAm. Perhaps the technology should have been developed a bit more before the industry jumped on board with the TBW?

 

[Buttsy]

I get paranoid, although I have had NO problems whatsoever.

And here is hoping you never do....................enjoy your trip and share all the good stuff:yes:!

 

[Farmboy]

A small up date

I'll take a stab at this, but maybe when the grown ups get back (Scotty & Lamont) they will have better explanations.

On the RT the throttle body closure is controlled by the ECM.
In 2010 BRP noticed that the RT was difficult to start when hot.
The "solution" was to keep the throttle body plates snapped shut for 40 minutes or so after shutdown to prevent fuel from entering the cylinders and causing flooding.

The problem with this fix was that the solenoids used to snap shut were not intended for that much continuous operation and soon began to fail in the field.

So they replaced them with a more robust solenoid that could be snapped shut that long.
But there seems still to be problems with these units as well.

Now, IMHO, they are still piling on the kludges and still seem to be in flail mode.
I think they have lost sight of the original problem.

On hot days my 2010 Kludgless RT takes a 1/16 of a turn on the throttle to start.
No Big Deal as far as I am concerned.

BINGO!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!! Yes you are right. The BRP folks just think they can just insert a stick in a fan and expect to keep it stopped with out burning up a electric motor... Dam why did us Americans not think of that? hell we just been shutting off the power to it all these past 100 + years:banghead:

Dealer called Friday, Brp wants them to teat this and adjust that and lube something else and for me to try it be for they will replace any throttle body...

The famous code has cleared it self, NOT THERE!! I guess I will have to have my camera with me at all times to get a pic. of it. I shur did not set in the sun for 2.5 hours with my wife on the side of the road for the fun of it. Not fun listening to her for that long nagging at me for letting my Raider go for something thats know to leave you stranded with out no ..... Sorry I had to vent for a moment...I love my spyder, Just be glad to have her home and up and running with no bugs left in her.

 

[flaggerphil]

I bought my RT-AC in Fallon, IL in March and a week later rode it 1000 miles from St Louis to Melbourne, FL in two days, towing the matching trailer. My dealer had done a good job on setup (the sales manager also rides an RT...is on his second...he just likes them) and they gave me a very comprehensive overview on riding the beast. I had no problems what so ever...it purred like a champ all the way there. Made VERY sure to keep my right foot away from the brake while riding...something I had to think about since I have a size 13 foot.

After getting to FL I started reading this forum and realized I was shifting too soon...I needed to keep the RPM up more than I was. Not surprising since I used to ride a Yamaha V Star 1300T. I also realized I needed to put at least 91 octane in the tank...I'd been putting in 87. I now have around 3200 miles on the bike and will be taking it in for it's 3k check in a few days.

In that time the ONLY problem I've had was during a charity group ride with my wife on the back (she rides with me a lot...she loves the beast) when the bike suddenly went into limp mode about a mile into the ride. I was shocked and pulled over to let the people behind me go by. I realized my big foot had been on the brake...not much, but enough. I waited for a couple of minutes and restarted. Limp mode came back on. Waited a couple more minutes and again restarted...came on normally, we caught up with the pack and completed the 80 mile ride. I have done a number of group rides since, including a 300 mile ryde with four other Spyders yesterday, and have not had one other problem. Not one. When the beast goes in for it's service in the next few days I'll have them check the throttle body to make sure all is ok and tell them about the one limp mode incident. But I feel good about it.

BTW, I talked to the other Spyder ryders on our ryde yesterday (all riding RTs) and found none of them have had a problem, either. And most of them have a lot more miles on their beasts than I do on mine.

This is not to say that others have not had problems. Some obviously have. But, as on any other forum (you should read what goes on at a couple of the guitar forums I'm on...:yikes, I think that the problems seem far more prevalent than they actually are. And some, I would think, are caused by the riders themselves or the dealers. Having three dealers in the area here, one that I have told I will never do business with again, I do believe BRP does have a problem with some dealers.

Anyway, enough rambling. I love my Spyder and am exceptionally happy I bought it. I hope those having problems can get them fixed. And for those looking in who have ridden for years and wonder about a Spyder, or those looking to ride for the first time...while it is similar to riding a two-wheeler, it IS different and you HAVE to take that into consideration when you buy.

Oh...and some of you? At least TRY to check your spelling and grammar. I know no one's perfect, but, really?

I now return you to your regular program...such as it is.

 

[Farmboy]

UPDATE

Picked up my :spyder2: on Saturday and brought her home on a trailer. Dealer did not replace throttle body or any thing. Says he cleared all codes and could not duplicate when out for a ride.:banghead:

When I got her home I started it up to back off trailer and GUESS WHAT!!

When I hit the throttle she went into LIMP MODE:banghead:

She's going to Cuba next week, A BIG THANK YOU TO LEN AT COWTOWN. Arkansas dealer will never touch her again. Here is yesterdays service ticket, and you can see all the codes she had and what they done.... "NOTHING"