DPS recall, anyone else had it done yet?

[Smylinacha]

Dudley, he's not badmouthing it, he is stating his observations and he's not the only one who said the same thing. I don't think it is the dealer - cuz that would mean other dealers didn't do it right and that's too much of a coincidence if you ask me.

I'm gonna sit it out for a while and see who else says what but right now, no way am I putting the new gen dps in there. Gonna wait a while and keep an eye on it. HDX wants to wait it out too.

 

[Zerocool]

I suggested he go back to his dealer and get it done right. There is probably nothing wrong with the new DPS. If the dealer didn't set it right, there will most likely be problems. He is blasting the DPS and has done NOTHING to try and rectify the situation except bad mouth it. That's the way things get out of hand.
Our Spyder has NEVER handled this well in all roads and winds. It is ROCK solid.

First, I just got the bike back. The dealer has already emailed a query to BRP after my phone conversation with him this morning.

Funny, you accuse me of badmouthing BRP and the DPS, then accuse the dealer? WTF. The dealer Smylinacha, HDX, and I go to is a Certified BRP Master Mechanic. Yes, we know each other, and NO, they aren't taking things out of hand.

:chill:

 

[Dudley]

First, I just got the bike back. The dealer has already emailed a query to BRP after my phone conversation with him this morning.

Funny, you accuse me of badmouthing BRP and the DPS, then accuse the dealer? WTF. The dealer Smylinacha, HDX, and I go to is a Certified BRP Master Mechanic. Yes, we know each other, and NO, they aren't taking things out of hand.

:chill:

Well, I didn't read anywhere that you had contacted the dealer at all. Maybe if you had told the rest of the story...

And I didn't accuse the dealer. But there is one rider who did go back and his dealer found that they had not done some setting right. He had it done and all is well. Certified doesn't make you perfect.

 

[Smylinacha]

Well, I didn't read anywhere that you had contacted the dealer at all. Maybe if you had told the rest of the story...

And I didn't accuse the dealer. But there is one rider who did go back and his dealer found that they had not done some setting right. He had it done and all is well. Certified doesn't make you perfect.

Yep, nobody's perfect but I know he's one of the best trained brp mechanics in the country and he will get to the bottom of it.:2thumbs:

 

[bcspyder]

About a thousand km's on the new DPS now and my ride is the best it has ever been. My original was replaced only at the beginning of summer, and re-re-placed with the recall DPS two weeks ago. Venom, I would be surprised if the handling was acceptable with 14 lbs. I find 19/20 to be a much improved response. Honestly, I find the new unit more predictable than the previous two. Prior the steering was almost too quick at times, not an issue when you were used to it but if I was off for a while it took some thought. I have also played around with belt tension a bit and removed some vibration. I am really enjoyin' the ride now.

 

[Full.Of.Fun]

The labor rates you posted are correct. Thats not to say that is how long it takes to install the new DPS. For one thing, it is a very involved and time consuming procedure. Not to mention if the customer's bike has been modified or extra aftermarket add-on gadgets/etc. have been installed. All of that could have to be removed then reinstalled too. I would want my tech to take his time on something super important like this and yes, definitely get the settings correct the first time. One thing to remember, now that I have self-appointed myself Dr. Phil, is that we are all human and we are also all so lucky to be involved in such a specialized new concept in riding. Think back before you even had a Spyder, before you even knew what one was....it's like having children - I can't imagine life without them! If you are here visitng the Smokey Mountains, come get your DPS recall installed if you have time. BRP has gone way out of their way to provide a nice supply of DPS recall units because over 200 of you will be here visiting. There are dealers that cannot get them & because they are such an expensive item - BRP has to have control over their inventory or the dealers would all order 20 just to have them. We are doing "early-before-store-opening appointments" and BRP will be there tomorrow too (Thursday). So I say, lets make the best of things, educate ourselves by reading here and other places, asking lots of questions and talk straight to the expert tomorrow! Dennis and others will be on hand tomorrow, Thursday - in from Canada. :thumbup:

 

[Raptor]

I had my RS-S done today. The job took about 2 hours. Fortunately I didn't have any extra stuff installed so 2 hours wasn't bad. HOWEVER...

I didn't :cus: like it. 3 miles down the road I almost tuned around and brought it back, but I had to get to work, so I kept going. I had a 30 mile ride to get there so I had some time to feel it out. Let me put this into perspective, as it is not all negative. It is just VERY DIFFERENT. And it's a big adjustment!

My first impression was that the bike felt floaty and nervous, like the PS pump was running all the time. I mean as soon as you even THOUGHT about turning, you were turning! I felt very uncomfortable all of a sudden on a bike that drove like silk before. I was pissed. And then it hit me; this new unit is super responsive! I will have to adjust my style and just feel it and figure out what it wanted now.

I put the bike through a bunch of various conditions so I could do a proper evalution. Rough road, sweepers, highway, 180s, tight turns, and yes, twisties! I did that after work. I even had to deal with high wind. SO it was a good profile. Here is the deal.

This new unit is extremely sensitive and responds almost instantly to any input it gets. So if you are rigid or used to throwing your bike around right now you are in big trouble! I was really fighting it and it sucked; But then I began to relax and soften my arms and how they connect to the rest of the machine. Suddenly the bike stopped twitching so much until it stopped twitching all together. My body started to anticipate changes in attitude, angle or whatever and you just figure it out, which helped in the wind situation. Another thing; you set up for turns a little bit sooner, you start your lean just alittle bit sooner. You are picking slightly different lines now, but it's OK. Riders with stronger cores are going to do just fine because body english is going to enhance execution greatly.

Slow speed turns or tight turns are much better now. It's the middle area between 70 and 90 that things got squirlly. And the wind blasts. But I did the things above and figured it out. Extreme highway moves have to be done very SMOOTHLY! High speed however is very good, very solid. I took it up to about 112 and it felt very solid. This was the biggest surprise of all.

Now the twisties. Since I had the session before getting to work I had an idea of how I was going to approach this. So by anticipating sooner, setting up a little sooner, a little more rear end shimmy (which is important because you don't want the bike to lean and rotate as that will get the gyro going and kick in the nanny) and the soft arms with minimal bar input took the nanny out of it more than before. So I was actually carving things up more consitantly. The bottom line here is that I got smoother. I couldn't believe it but I actually got smoother! And smoother is faster.

The net effect is once all the pieces fall into place you are getting a better result with less effort. But it didn't start out that way! It was a horror show for a while. But I figured it out. And if I can do it, you can!

I'm back on 14 tomorrow that hasn't been done yet, so I get to do a head-to-head comparison. We shall see which one is better!

 

[wyliec]

Excellent write up :2thumbs:.

 

[Eraser]

Excellent write up :2thumbs:.

:agree:
That description is a carbon copy of what I feel and mine have not been done yet.I did get my recall notices and will have them both done in due time.I did have a 2008 for a short time and found the difference between my current bikes(both 2010)like night and day.I would guess that the units I have are functioning as the new replacements will/are.If that is so,Yes,as Raptor says,they are very responsive,I drive with a very "light touch" especially at high speeds. Great write-up Raptor.....and knowing your style, you probably did the whole 30 miles at 112! Peace Bro!!!

 

[Dudley]

Great write up. Mine felt the same way, I just couldn't explain it as fully. In one simple statement, my Spyder now steers like my car and that I like.

 

[bikeguy]

Very good description, Raptor. Pretty much the same way mine felt. It reminded me a little bit of riding my RT home right after I got it. There was a little crosswind, maybe 15-20 mph and the RT was juking all over the road. I though this is the worst bike I've ever had in the wind and that is a bad thing to have in west Texas. I was having serious regrets about buying it. But after I learned what it took to ride it, it became the best bike I've ever owned in the wind. The new steering is the same. It's just enough different that it takes a little getting used to. But once you learn how it wants to be ridden, it's really good.

Cotton

 

[ataDude]

...My first impression was that the bike felt floaty and nervous, like the PS pump was running all the time...

Not to be anal (well, OK, maybe), but... there is no pump... all electric.

.

 

[Raptor]

Not to be anal (well, OK, maybe), but... there is no pump... all electric.

.

OOPS! You are right. There I go thinking cars again! :duh: Ah, rookies!

 

[VaughnCat]

Rode the RS back last night . .

Rode Cat's RS back last night, back roads and freeway . . . love it, very smooth. We're picking up the RT tonight . . . should make a fine machine even better.

 

[Raptor]

I'm back on 14 tomorrow that hasn't been done yet, so I get to do a head-to-head comparison. We shall see which one is better!

Well Kids, I jumped on 14 this morning and did my ride into work with a non-recall DPS Spyder. I said I would report in and I was a bit surprised by what I discovered, both about myself and about 14!

This was not just a ride into work today; I had a purpose and I needed to collect data. So I rode in "a bit harder" than usual. Here's the deal!

You see, the RS-S to me is a kind of luxury cruiser; she is smooth, fast, and built to be a comfortable, easy ride with good manners and grace. In these circumstances, the Gen2 DPS is A-OK once I got used to things (see previous post).

But 14 is a different machine. She has a different attitude; it has a definite edge to her to be sure. It's kinda mean, loves speed, loves to go hard, and definitely is a more physical kind of ride. This thing loves to be thrown around. And I LOVE it that way! And I don't want that to change.

This morning I was making some amazing moves, every one spot-on precise. I was really charging hard at some points. Got some nice high speed bursts in, too, just kickin it tucked in one-handed at a buck 15! It tracked like it was on rails. It has done that since day 1. I felt completely at home. I have said it before; there is just something about this machine that is special to me. It's kind of like a bond I have with it; It's hard to explain.

I can't imagine the heartbreak I would feel if I took it in, they did the DPS and it just tuned into something that was anything other than what it is now. I couldn't live with that. I will continue to improve on it. I do not see this new DPS as a step in that direction. Not on 14. So 14 WILL NOT BE GETTING THE DPS SWAP. Plain and simple. I am going to wait it out on this one. If I sense anything start to develop in the steering then I will have no choice. But for now, she stays the way she is! That is until I put new tires and shocks on! :roflblack:

 

[Eddie]

Got mine back today haven't really noticed any dif. mine has always handled great and still does. Little over 9 thou. on the speedo and my brake pads are almost gone :yikes: Picked me up a replacement set from the dealer for $122.78 with tax. dang them buggers are high!! Think I will also replace my rear tire in the next month or so its just going bald for NO reason pps: :shemademe_smilie:

 

[Zerocool]

I can't imagine the heartbreak I would feel if I took it in, they did the DPS and it just tuned into something that was anything other than what it is now. I couldn't live with that.

Precisely.

I, unfortunately, am forced to live with the heartbreak

It's not the same ride. It's no longer on rails.

Thank you for the post.

 

[Raptor]

Got mine back today haven't really noticed any dif. mine has always handled great and still does. Little over 9 thou. on the speedo and my brake pads are almost gone :yikes: Picked me up a replacement set from the dealer for $122.78 with tax. dang them buggers are high!! Think I will also replace my rear tire in the next month or so its just going bald for NO reason pps: :shemademe_smilie:

No reason huh? :roflblack: :roflblack: :roflblack: It's OK brother, you gotta have a good rear. Oh, and your back tire should be good too... :shocked: :roflblack:

My rear tire is good still but I have this uncontrollable urge to mount the Yoko DOT race tire on the back and AVS EV100s on the front. I just think that will give me more grip. These stock Kenda things kinda suck! Tney are just too hard, that's all. I'm glad your DPS change went well. Get those brakes and definitely get that tire. Gotta be safe... :thumbup:

 

[irataylor]

Well I am on the waiting list for my DPS update. I had mine replace just a few months ago, so I am not in too big a hurry.

 

[mooneych]

The new DPS works well. I understand Raptor's reluctance to mod #14. As long as it behaves safely, carry on!

Mine is a lot smoother and can br driven with 1 hand now. It's not twichy anymore.

Cheers!

Chris.