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Comparison of Power Commander 5 to Monster ECU stage 1 or stage 2 flash

308gunner said:
Did you ride it yet?... What are your performance results?!!...inquiring minds want to know!
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I just got back from a quick jaunt down some nearby country roads. Keep in mind, the only thing that's changed from stock is the stage 2 flash and holes in the airbox. I don't yet have the Cat delete pipe which is due to arrive tomorrow.

Purely subjective impression is that; a) it pulls a little harder at lower rpms and gains speed a little quicker, b) the noise from the airbox is no different (but I'm hard of hearing) and c) the power boost tapers off at higher rpms.

The cat delete should boost the higher end, I hope. Otherwise, it's a very smooth, tractable acceleration with no hesitation off idle.
 
UtahPete said:
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Purely subjective impression is that; a) it pulls a little harder at lower rpms and gains speed a little quicker, b) the noise from the airbox is no different (but I'm hard of hearing) and c) the power boost tapers off at higher rpms.
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You haven't really gotten into it yet Pete. Take it back out and TURN IT ON! Safely of course.
 
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UtahPete said:
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Purely subjective impression is that; a) it pulls a little harder at lower rpms and gains speed a little quicker, b) the noise from the airbox is no different (but I'm hard of hearing) and c) the power boost tapers off at higher rpms.
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You haven't really gotten into it yet Pete. Take it back out and TURN IT ON! Safely of course.
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I got up to about 95mph on a short stretch of straightaway starting at 55mph with throttle wide open in 5th, but had to back off a little for the curves. Let's see what happens after the cat delete.
 
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UtahPete said:
I got up to about 95mph on a short stretch of straightaway starting at 55mph with throttle wide open in 5th, but had to back off a little for the curves. Let's see what happens after the cat delete.
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You won't see a huge difference with the cat delete I believe. Do a roll on acceleration to redline in second gear. Then grab third and do the same thing again in third. Don't go to fourth as it gets a little scary from there on. I ride with my shift points about the same as before the stage 2 install and I run ECO 90% of the time and get 40+ mpg. But, that being said, when you want the hidden power you've got it. 2up pulling a trailer and passing on an uphill grade is where stage 2 shines. No one is going to pass you except that guy in a Mopar sitting behind a Hell Cat.
:thumbup::yikes::thumbup::clap: Most anyone can get to 95, but getting there in just a few seconds is what it's all about.
 
2dogs said:
You won't see a huge difference with the cat delete I believe. Do a roll on acceleration to redline in second gear. Then grab third and do the same thing again in third. Don't go to fourth as it gets a little scary from there on. I ride with my shift points about the same as before the stage 2 install and I run ECO 90% of the time and get 40+ mpg. But, that being said, when you want the hidden power you've got it. 2up pulling a trailer and passing on an uphill grade is where stage 2 shines. No one is going to pass you except that guy in a Mopar sitting behind a Hell Cat.
:thumbup::yikes::thumbup::clap: Most anyone can get to 95, but getting there in just a few seconds is what it's all about.
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Question; isn't Stage 2 flash supposed to result in no wait time for startup after key on?
 
UtahPete said:
Question; isn't Stage 2 flash supposed to result in no wait time for startup after key on?
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Mine is instant start up...But you still need to push the mode button to clear the start up message off dash screen...Just had my 2014 up graded from a stage 1 to the stage 2 this year...Really made a BIG difference...larryd
 
larryd said:
Mine is instant start up...But you still need to push the mode button to clear the start up message off dash screen...Just had my 2014 up graded from a stage 1 to the stage 2 this year...Really made a BIG difference...larryd
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Your spyder is the perfect bank heist getaway vehicle. Just turn ON the key press the brake hit start and GO. Don't forget to release the parking brake. You don't have to mess with the mode button.
 
For spyders ECU flash is the ONLY way to go, removed the torque limiting "Stuff"
I just flashed to Stage 1 for testing will be going to Stage 2 in a week or so.
I partnered with Monster FI, and handling flashes for all the Southwest and Western States
 
QuadRAGIN said:
For spyders ECU flash is the ONLY way to go, removed the torque limiting "Stuff"
I just flashed to Stage 1 for testing will be going to Stage 2 in a week or so.
I partnered with Monster FI, and handling flashes for all the Southwest and Western States
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Excellent...I was wondering when monster fuel was going to expand to the western united states...what's the name of your shop?...and your webpage?
 
Just by way of info……..and this is not an anti flash post, as the flash is the perfect option for an all round solution…….I had the stage 1 (with some stage 2 influences) installed on my ‘16F3-L. It worked a treat……but……on my ‘21 RT-L I opted for the Pedal Commander in the first instance. The removal of the slight lag when you are in too low a gear, and crisper throttle response is providing everything I need, so I won’t be moving to a flash. Once again, this is not an anti flash post, just an observation.

Pete
 
Peteoz said:
Just by way of info……..and this is not an anti flash post, as the flash is the perfect option for an all round solution…….I had the stage 1 (with some stage 2 influences) installed on my ‘16F3-L. It worked a treat……but……on my ‘21 RT-L I opted for the Pedal Commander in the first instance. The removal of the slight lag when you are in too low a gear, and crisper throttle response is providing everything I need, so I won’t be moving to a flash. Once again, this is not an anti flash post, just an observation.

Pete
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:agree: I very much agree with Pete, If and when I decide I want a quicker throttle I will go to a Pedal Box or Pedal Commander for the simple reason that should I ever want to move up to another bike it would be retrievable.
(Also, Not to Bash the Flash) :thumbup: Bill
 
QuadRAGIN said:
Ped Comander is a good product but it only modifies the data stream between the throttle and the throttle body it does not remove the torque limiting stuff. on the 1330 when you command full throttle you only get about 3/4

https://player.vimeo.com/video/225105370
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I have BOTH the Stage II from Monster Fuel And the Pedal Commander. The Tune Combined with the Commander is a mean set-up....they do work together!!!....I installed the tune first, then installed the commander...it runs the way its supposed to be from the factory...big difference.
 
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308gunner said:
I have BOTH the Stage II from Monster Fuel And the Pedal Commander. The Tune Combined with the Commander is a mean set-up....they do work together!!!....I installed the tune first, then installed the commander...it runs the way its supposed to be from the factory...big difference.
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Nice to know, quicker throttle response would be nice
 
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