Any A/mkt Clutch Kits for 09 SE5's?

[rcturner]

BRP has known about the weak/slipping clutch since 2009, and put a new clutch in all Spyders since 2011. I bought my 2009 Spyder brand new and they replaced/upgraded a clutch under warranty, it was never a Recall but a well-known issue. Sunshine riders who never open the throttle will never even notice before their clutch slowly and surely smoke itself off - when the warranty is gone.

Not sure how necessary it is, it is something that is part of the new clutch pack.

Based on the first response above, the new clutch was incorporated in 2011. There must still be some kind of weakness that has caused them to redesign and include the nozzle change in the 2013 model after having the new clutch for two model years. What are we missing?

 

[NancysToy]

Based on the first response above, the new clutch was incorporated in 2011. There must still be some kind of weakness that has caused them to redesign and include the nozzle change in the 2013 model after having the new clutch for two model years. What are we missing ?

The new clutch has thicker plates, which I suspect addresses the plate warping that has been seen...as well as more plates and discs, which will add friction and clutch surface area. The longer nozzle will distribute oil to the center of the pack, which should address heat buildup (which warps plates and burns discs) and relatively dry discs (which causes discs to slip or burn, and reduces clutch effectiveness). I don't think this will result in a clutch that can take more horsepower or hard use, because the clutch pressure remains the same, but it will make the clutches more durable and increase clutch longevity for the average rider. JMHO

 

[docdoru]

I don't think this will result in a clutch that can take more horsepower or hard use, because the clutch pressure remains the same, but it will make the clutches more durable and increase clutch longevity for the average rider. JMHO

I will test that...:yes:

 

[billybovine]

Friction and clutch plates

BRP has known about the weak/slipping clutch since 2009, and put a new clutch in all Spyders since 2011. I bought my 2009 Spyder brand new and they replaced/upgraded a clutch under warranty, it was never a Recall but a well-known issue. Sunshine riders who never open the throttle will never even notice before their clutch slowly and surely smoke itself off - when the warranty is gone.



Based on the first response above, the new clutch was incorporated in 2011. There must still be some kind of weakness that has caused them to redesign and include the nozzle change in the 2013 model after having the new clutch for two model years. What are we missing?

According to BRP's parts catalog, all Spyders from 2008 to 2012, both SE5 and SM5, use the same Friction Plates 420259266 3.5mm, Clutch Plates 420259263 1.5 mm. If there was a difference made in 2011 model year it was not in the clutch pack that the new kit addresses.

 

[NancysToy]

According to BRP's parts catalog all Spyders from 2008 to 2012, SE5 and SM5 use the same Friction Plates 420259266 3.5mm, Clutch Plates 420259263 1.5 mm. If there was a difference made in 2011 model year it was not in the clutch pack that the new kit addresses.

The new friction plates are 2.4 mm, compared to the old 3.5 mm discs. The new plates are 1.8 to 2.1 mm, comapered to 1.5 mm for the old ones. The hardened plate remains the same for the SM, at 1.5 mm, but increses to 3.0 mm compared to 2.5 mm for the SE. See Service Bulletin 2012-7, published 8/27/2012. The SE also requires a new adjustment plate kit (P/N 420 281 535) not included in the clutch kit. I suspect the parts fiche has not caught up with the changes yet, but the TSB states that the old configuration parts are no longer available. BTW, these changes were introduced during the 2012 production run, beginning with S/N 8658417 for the SM and 8658270 for the SE.

 

[Lamonster]

The they went to a thinner friction plate because they are using a steel plate now instead of aluminum so they were able to reduce the stack height and get the extra plates in. :doorag:

 

[billybovine]

The new friction plates are 2.4 mm, compared to the old 3.5 mm discs. The new plates are 1.8 to 2.1 mm, comapered to 1.5 mm for the old ones. The hardened plate remains the same for the SM, at 1.5 mm, but increses to 3.0 mm compared to 2.5 mm for the SE. See Service Bulletin 2012-7, published 8/27/2012. The SE also requires a new adjustment plate kit (P/N 420 281 535) not included in the clutch kit. I suspect the parts fiche has not caught up with the changes yet, but the TSB states that the old configuration parts are no longer available. BTW, these changes were introduced during the 2012 production run, beginning with S/N 8658417 for the SM and 8658270 for the SE.

I know that the friction and clutch plates have changed dimensions, a previous post by Lamont clearly outlined that. I was responding to a post that said the clutch was changed in 2011 and I could not find any evidence of it. Even if the parts changed during the 2011 model year it still should have showed up in the 2012 parts catalog. What's new to me that the change was made during the 2012 production run and proves my point that it was not done in 2011.

 

[DLE]

I will test that...:yes:

After looking at your chart that you posted, and my limited knowledge concerning your machine, (ie, sm5, turbo charged) I had a couple of questions. The sm5 has a vacuum assist clutch that comes into play up to approx. 4000 rpm's or your throttle position, less bringing on more assist. When you installed your turbo, were you required to install a vacuum pump to make up for the lost vacuum? I'm assuming, that your shift points would be higher then 4000 rpm's, so the vacuum would not be enabled or required at that point.
At what RPM's does your turbo start coming on? If at below 4000 rpm's, this would cause a loss of vacuum assist to the clutch. And possibly the lower rpm failures compounding into upper rpm (above 6000) failures.
I thought you mentioned you had gone through 7 clutches. I would be interested in learning how they failed, ie, gradually, slipping, catastrophic?

 

[DLE]

The they went to a thinner friction plate because they are using a steel plate now instead of aluminum so they were able to reduce the stack height and get the extra plates in. :doorag:

The steel driven plate, while thicker, also has offset tabs on the perimeter, providing clearance for the friction plate tabs as they are also offset as well as being U shaped, while still allowing them to marry up to the friction plate, probably making for better oil flow and cooling. And allowing the clearance for the extra plates.

 

[docdoru]

After looking at your chart that you posted, and my limited knowledge concerning your machine, (ie, sm5, turbo charged) I had a couple of questions. The sm5 has a vacuum assist clutch that comes into play up to approx. 4000 rpm's or your throttle position, less bringing on more assist. When you installed your turbo, were you required to install a vacuum pump to make up for the lost vacuum? I'm assuming, that your shift points would be higher then 4000 rpm's, so the vacuum would not be enabled or required at that point.
At what RPM's does your turbo start coming on? If at below 4000 rpm's, this would cause a lost of vacuum assist to the clutch. And possibly the lower rpm failures compounding into upper rpm (above 6000) failures.
I thought you mentioned you had gone through 7 clutches. I would be interested in learning how they failed, ie, gradually, slipping, catastrophic?

Let's start with the last q: the clutches never failed catastrophic, just progressive slipping.
The Aerocharge Turbo doesn't require the auxiliary vacuum pump.
The clutch #8 (with 16K miles, zero slippage - including the FIM World Record in Bonneville: http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?39574-FIM-and-AMA-Bonneville-2012) is a combination of BRP basket and Hayabusa (steel and friction plates) with Monster springs.

 

[rcturner]

BTW, these changes were introduced during the 2012 production run, beginning with S/N 8658417 for the SM and 8658270 for the SE.

Are these engine serial numbers ? My bike serial number is nothing like these.

 

[NancysToy]

Are these engine serial numbers ? My bike serial number is nothing like these.

Quite possibly. They are not the same as VIN#s. They are what BRP lists in the TSB.

 

[Spydy76]

Hello everybody, Looking for additional information...

I need to change the clutch-kit on my 2009 GS-SE.
I have just got the clutch-kit (420 281 935) + adjustement kit and I´m looking for some information how to install it, because some parts are different comparing to the old one.

Can somebody send me the service bulletin 20012-7 or can somebody give me some information about:

• which side to insert the friction plates - the small brackets with the open side or with the side marked with a number to the outside
• is there a special sequence to insert the steel plates - the thickness is different (up to +0,2mm)

It would be great if somebody can help me.
Thanks in advance.

Spydy76

 

[OZZ3]

Spydy76, Did anyone reply with information you requested on assembly of new style clutch kit for se5? OZZ3
If so could you pass this on to me, I am in the middle of clutch change on a friends 2011 SE5 RT right now. send to "[email protected]" Thanks.

 

[Peter Aawen]

Hi OZZ3, rather than waiting for an answer in a thread that hadn't seen a post for 2 & 1/2 years, Spydy76 started a new thread, got his answer, & we haven't seen him since April 2015!

Here's a link to his thread: https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums...ch-kit-gs-se-installation&p=963909#post963909

For what it's worth, it looks like the solution was to follow the instructions in the 2013 Workshop Manual, but have a read & see what you think. Good Luck! :thumbup:

 

[ddtoit]

Hi do you pls have the clutch kit parts number pls

Regards

 

[Possible]

Just a heads-up, this thread dates from 2012, so some of the posters may not still be active.

 

[billybovine]

Hi do you pls have the clutch kit parts number pls

Regards

You are not giving us much to go on. May I suggest next time including all the details about your Spyder. Model, Year and any mods that may be important. With that I will take a guess at what you may be asking. So here is an exploded view of a clutch for a 2015 991 SE5 clutch assembly. Is this what you are looking for or are you looking for the slave cylinder parts.

 

[pegasus1300]

I see that this question was never answered. Does anybody know at what point the extended nozzle was incorporated on the assembly line? and yes I know it is a way old post, but it is relevant to a current post by somebody else with clutch problems and there are also a lot of us still here with old VTwins who may be approaching a mileage that will warrant a clutch repair.

 

[Snowbelt Spyder]

I see that this question was never answered. Does anybody know at what point the extended nozzle was incorporated on the assembly line? and yes I know it is a way old post, but it is relevant to a current post by somebody else with clutch problems and there are also a lot of us still here with old VTwins who may be approaching a mileage that will warrant a clutch repair.

Hey Bud. It was standard for the 998 starting in 2013. The SE5 and SM5 had different part numbers, but both had the extended nozzle. Look on the parts exploded diagrams for Engine Lubrication. It’s shown just above the engine oil filter, piece #23. Easy to get to. Never heard that the extended nozzle couldn't be used while keeping the original clutch, or if that would be beneficial at all. It was only the disc kit that was changed. But, I never changed mine. (If it ain't broke.....) It’s in the shop manual in the Lubrication Section. Post #17 back on page 1 shows location.