First Service at 600 miles?

[rbflapjack]

Where do you buy your supplies? $30 is pretty cheap.

Agreed. Cheapest I find the BRP kit is $88 on Amazon.

After all this discussion (thanks for all the input), I decided I will have the dealer do the first oil change before I put it away for the winter which will be about 1,000 miles. I also have some warranty work that needs to be done so I will do it all at the same time. After that I will do my own oil changes.

 

[ulflyer]

I changed my '11 RT and '14 RT at about 500 miles and on both there was a silvery sheen in the oil. Didn't have that with later changes. Driving a Slingshot now and it called for first change at 500mi. New cars do not and folks on car forums discuss early vs late changes constantly. Probably doesn't make a bit of difference in long run; just made me feel better to do it early and thats what counts.

 

[Mikey]

I changed my '11 RT and '14 RT at about 500 miles and on both there was a silvery sheen in the oil. Didn't have that with later changes. Driving a Slingshot now and it called for first change at 500mi. New cars do not and folks on car forums discuss early vs late changes constantly. Probably doesn't make a bit of difference in long run; just made me feel better to do it early and thats what counts.

And you know, at the end of the day, that is all that counts!!!!! :2thumbs:

 

[Skups]

I bought my 2018 F3 LTD used with 855 miles, out of my local area. I wasn't sure of the history so after I got 1K miles on it, I decided to take it in to the local dealer and had them do the service and they also did a software update. For me, a few hundred dollars is cheap insurance considering how much I paid for the machine. I'm at 3300 miles and it runs / shifts beautiful. I figured I would do the next service around 6K miles. You can't change the oil too much.

 

[PinkRosePetal]

Where do you buy your supplies? $30 is pretty cheap.

I do a lot of engine work so I buy my lubricants in 20lt containers. But so can you! For the Spyders I buy Mobil Super 3000 X1 5W-40 20 Liter. Nowadays I shop around for it, the last I bought was 40Lts at £74 per 20lt tub on ebay. Given the pound to dollar exchange rate and just short of 4 oil changes out of one tub plus a filter that can't be far off $30 I guess.

I don't know about oils but I often buy stuff from the US because, even with our import taxes, it's cheaper than buying here so I guess with a bit of leg work you could find a good deal.

 

[PinkRosePetal]

You can't change the oil too much.

I'm with you on that centiment. I guess too often could be considered wasteful but as soon as oil is used it begins to degrade so it's really up to the user how much degradation they're willing to allow between changes.

For me for a new engine, any engine, it's before 300 miles for first change, 1200 miles for the next change then every 4000 after that. Occasionally, there's an exception as now, because we've been away riding all day every day for almost 5 weeks the Spyders' oil is getting pretty dark and burned now but we'll be home within the next 500 miles so I'll leave it until then. Just convenience really.

 

[put1in]

I’ll stick with the 3000 miles as recommended by BRP. It’s pretty clear in the owners manual. I bet they know their equipment better then most and I’m good with that. If BRP thought it was best to change the oil at 600 miles that’s what they would recommend but they do not. Just my opinion.

 

[afish]

I just called my dealer to check what they recommend and they said 3,000 miles is fine. But they would be happy to make an appointment to get my oil changed if I wanted too... I’m at 600 miles. Cost is $207 and an hour and a half of my time, not including the hour ride to and from the dealership each way...

 

[Gwolf]

I changed my own oil and filter at 3,000 miles just as the owner's manual and the Spyder Shop manual recommended. 2019 1330 F3-S........ I found no shavings nor any unusual amount of metal and the oil that came out looked good. I did not put the OEM oil back in. I do buy oil that is as good or better than what is recommended for use by the manuals. I am also not sticking to the schedule for oil changes that are in the manuals. The manuals recommend every 9,300 miles and I am changing mine every 5,000 miles. It has nothing to do with economic reasons or heavy use in bad conditions. I have always changed the oil every 5,000 miles on my bikes and will continue to do it. It does not matter if you use the OEM oil, as long as the oil is as good or better, by specifications. It does not matter if you change the oil at the recommended times or not, as long as the oil changes are more frequent than what is recommended. It costs me around $80 each time, just for the oil and the filter. There might be additional costs depending on what other service the manual calls for at that amount of miles. I keep all the information, date, miles, what supplies are used and the specs on them in a log on my computer.

 

[ARtraveler]

Along that line, what is the typical price range for the oil change service and the 3,000 mile service that people have seen?

$350 is what I have experienced.

 

[wmjkweber02]

I just bought a 2019 F3L and got the 600 mile service recommendation as well. I made the first service free as part of the deal. Also, they will pick up and deliver the vehicle.

 

[ARtraveler]

I just bought a 2019 F3L and got the 600 mile service recommendation as well. I made the first service free as part of the deal. Also, they will pick up and deliver the vehicle.

You did all right with the FREE part. The manual states 3000 for first service and then 9,500 intervals. Then, once a year or 9,500. The 600 mile first service is a carry over from the 998 2 cylinder engines.

From the manual page 119:

FIRST INSPECTION
We recommend that after the first 5 000km (3,000 mi) of operation, your vehicle
be inspected by an authorized Can-Am On-Road dealer, repair shop, or person of
your own choosing. The first maintenance is very important and must not be neglected.
NOTE: The first inspection is at the expense of the vehicle owner.
We recommend that this inspection be signed by the authorized Can-AmOn-Road
dealer, repair shop, or person of your own choosing having performed the first inspection

 

[carbonation]

I'm in the camp of an early first change. New engines will shed a considerable amount of wear metals during the first couple hundred miles. And yes, the magnet will catch actual visible shavings, it's the metal PPM you can't see that builds up in the oil. The filter will catch anything above about 30 micron, but wear particulates in the 5 to 10 micron range are what do damage.
I do 500, 2000, then 5000 miles. Does it help? Can't say, except that it's never let me down, I'm old school, and used oil analysis supports my method.
And, I think BRP is nuts with their recommendations on oil and interval.

 

[ARtraveler]

I'm in the camp of an early first change. New engines will shed a considerable amount of wear metals during the first couple hundred miles. And yes, the magnet will catch actual visible shavings, it's the metal PPM you can't see that builds up in the oil. The filter will catch anything above about 30 micron, but wear particulates in the 5 to 10 micron range are what do damage.
I do 500, 2000, then 5000 miles. Does it help? Can't say, except that it's never let me down, I'm old school, and used oil analysis supports my method.
And, I think BRP is nuts with their recommendations on oil and interval.

Whatever floats your boat. Earlier than recommended will not harm the engine. I do feel though, that BRP in their mighty wisdom, is not going to recommend something that will be harmful to the engines. 9500 miles or once a year whichever comes first...means that a lot of Spyders are getting changed out at 5000 miles or less.

Now that we can ride 12 months a year, I may consider a more frequent oil change than 9500. Time will tell.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

And, I think BRP is nuts with their recommendations on oil and interval.

I know it's not directly comparable, but consider this. The recommended oil change interval for the 1990 Acura Legend I had was 15,000 miles! And that was before synthetic oils were an everyday shelf item!

 

[Motogordo]

I paid $250 for the 600 mile service and for the 3,000 mile service . total $500
Now I have a new 2021 F3LTD . I might skip the 600 mile service unless they will do it free, as a good gesture to a good customer. LOL.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

I paid $250 for the 600 mile service and for the 3,000 mile service . total $500
Now I have a new 2021 F3LTD . I might skip the 600 mile service unless they will do it free, as a good gesture to a good customer. LOL.

The first service on your 2021 is 3000 miles, not 600.

 

[CloverHillCrawler]

My experience with said dealer was not that positive. I have herd others that have had better luck.

Same here, The sale was a good experience but was told the same thing about the 600 miles for service, I waited until the 3k. But if you do decide to do it make sure you have an appointment now as my appointment was almost 2 months out from when I called. If you drive like me I was past the 3K when it was finally time for my appointment.

This is also the place that told me that when I had to have an accident repair that my F3 was not a "regular appointment" meaning that my accident repair was slowing down summer sales setups and that they were fitting my accident repair in between "regular appointments".

It took over 3 months to get the repair completed and to top it off they lost my new BRP factory cover I had on it to protect it from the elements as they have no storage/cover to protect vehicles being worked on. I was returned a cover but it wasn't mine and a lot older and worn. I guess somebody got lucky and got their old cover replaced with a new one while it was in the shop for a "regular appointment".

 

[BadMonk]

I change the oil in my 2021 F3 every week...whether it needs it or not.

 

[Adventurer]

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