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What experiences have you had with Lithium Batteries?
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BajaRon
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I was told by some experienced people that I trust, not to go with a lithium. Granted, there have been some issues with them. But being the kind of guy I am, I didn't listen to them. This is the battery I got and I am EXTREMELY pleased with it. I think it is awesome!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075FC3WJ4/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It is much smaller than the OEM battery so I don't have to wedge it into the very tight space allowed. It weighs almost nothing and delivers more power than the OEM battery. Lithium is supposed to last longer too. Have only had it for 6 months so can't say there.
There isn't anything special you need to do for it except you'll need a good Lithium battery charger. Do not use a charger that is not designed for lithium batteries.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075FC3WJ4/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It is much smaller than the OEM battery so I don't have to wedge it into the very tight space allowed. It weighs almost nothing and delivers more power than the OEM battery. Lithium is supposed to last longer too. Have only had it for 6 months so can't say there.
There isn't anything special you need to do for it except you'll need a good Lithium battery charger. Do not use a charger that is not designed for lithium batteries.
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Lew L
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I've had a LiPo battery in my old, slow V-Max for 7 or 8 years. Weighs nothing, works every time. I do have the proper charger though. I had thought about one for my :spyder2: but got a regular battery instead as previous discussion on this site was not too positive.
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ThreeWheels
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I don't understand. If the LiPo battery needs a special charger, how does the vehicle charging system designed for a conventional battery work ?
If the battery is dead, can you jumo it using a conventional jump pack or jumper cables to another vehicle ??
If the battery is dead, can you jumo it using a conventional jump pack or jumper cables to another vehicle ??
This explains some of the questions. I think it's just a matter of time until vehicles switch to lithium batteries. The cordless tool industry has made the switch and they seem to be a huge improvement.
https://enerdrive.com.au/2017/11/29/can-charge-lithium-battery-lead-acid-charger/
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Mikey
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Ron, How long have you been using this battery in your ride, had any issues??
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BajaRon
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I've been running this battery since March of this year. About 6 months. Zero issues. Though I had zero issues with my previous AGM battery until it gave up. The lithium has a number of advantages over the AGM. Weight, (substantial difference. (I think it was 17lbx down to 3), CCA is much higher, (Don't remember the difference there). Smaller so it isn't such a tight squeeze. Previous AGM batteries swelled a bit when they went bad and were difficult to remove. I really like it.
spyder01
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Tesla and just about any fairly new Electric golf carts have had regenerative braking, which is where when the car goes downhill they use the momentum to generate electric which is then fed back into the main battery. An alternator used to charge the battery while driving would have to be the size of a doghouse to keep up with those batteries, it actually would be like creating a perpetual motion machine which is not possible yet.
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JKMSPYDER
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Thanks for the info. So using a Lithium-Ion battery in a Spyder would be constantly charged by the 1330 alternator? And the alternator would not over charge or harm the battery? Also, I guess a Lithium-Ion charger would not be needed as long as the Spyder was ridden year round?
Chupaca
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Depends...
This subject has been around for sometime. I know that on the Twins those batteries did not fare well and they were not recommended by many. Now on the newer engines like the 1330, 900 and 600 they may work well as they are easier to start with less of a load. On the Rykers there is the added advantage of not having the DPS that is a heavy drain on the battery. Have not heard much on thier use on the newer engines but would imagine they will perform well. Just need to support them with some spacers in the battery box area....:thumbup:
This subject has been around for sometime. I know that on the Twins those batteries did not fare well and they were not recommended by many. Now on the newer engines like the 1330, 900 and 600 they may work well as they are easier to start with less of a load. On the Rykers there is the added advantage of not having the DPS that is a heavy drain on the battery. Have not heard much on thier use on the newer engines but would imagine they will perform well. Just need to support them with some spacers in the battery box area....:thumbup:
ThreeWheels
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Thanks for fixing the link, I now understand.
So if I read this correctly, NO, you cannot use a LiPO battery with a charger designed for lead acid batteries.
Since most common vehicles (maybe airplanes are excluded) use lead acid batteries, switching to LiPO will require changes to the alternator/voltage regulator.
Am I correct ?
Wonder if this is still an issue given probable advances in the technology.
robhowen
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Prior to my Spyder, I put one in my BMW R1200GS. As others have said, smaller, lighter, 4 battery terminals, etc. I was very pleased but I only had the bike for 1 year after putting in the LiIon so I don't know what longer term experience is like. Playing it safe I used a LiIon Battery Tender Jr.
The battery in my RT surprised me by failing with no warning. I could not quickly find a LiIon in the stores and I didn't want to wait for it to come from Amazon. I purchased a Duracell AGM at Batteries + Bulbs.
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IdahoMtnSpyder
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Something has to turn the alternator in order to generate electricity. In a gas engine vehicle it's the engine that does that. An all electric like the Tesla has no engine to turn the alternator.
h0gr1der
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My hope on these is that they have the necessary voltage/amperage adjustments built into the battery, kind of like the newer cell phones. If they require some special modification of normal automotive voltage, and are sold as drop in units, then this must certainly be the case, right? Otherwise the very real possibility of the LI battery exploding (reference Tesla, Vaping units, certain cell phones I.E. Samsung 7 banned from commercial aircraft)
IdahoMtnSpyder
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Lion batteries have a built-in recharge counter with a limit on the number of recharges. When it's reached, no more charging. That may be what you have encountered. I don't know if Lion vehicle batteries have the same thing but I suspect they do.
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