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Instrument cluster changed - is it now illegal?
- Thread starter gwritesel
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I had cluster replaced. Miles to zero. Never left the shop, so I know my exact miles. But, in most states, Florida included, the odometer does not accurately show the total miles and is therefore "True Miles Unknown, Warning Odometer Discrepancy". Sounds like a shot to the jewels when it comes to a sale.
IdahoMtnSpyder
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By law, the dealer MUST set the mileage to zero if any work on the odometer necessitates changing the mileage on the odometer. It is a felony to muck with odo readings.
PMK
Active member
Not to nitpick, but the law you quoted seems to read in paragraph a, the logged mileage may be restored to the true mileage when repairs are a complished. Not seeing where it is mandatory to reset to zero.
Regarding the Spyder, it seems to be a serious oversight that BUDS lacks the capability to properly reset the odometer as it was previously. Certainly is one method to prevent odometer tampering.
Bob Denman
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They made it tough to crack the odometer settings for a very good reason: There are too many folks out there, who would "tinker" with the mileage in an attempt to make a vehicle easier to sell... :dontknow:
There's nothing wrong with your bike: just with the mindset of some people!
There's nothing wrong with your bike: just with the mindset of some people!
billybovine
Active member
They do no restore the engine hours. Because it was never lost when replacing the instrument cluster. Engine hours are stored in the ECU.
IdahoMtnSpyder
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Yeah, I had to think about the wording too as it does seem to be contradictory. But I think the out given in (a) for replacement means if the odometer comes from the supplier or manufacturer or a professional speedometer shop with the mileage already set, then it can be used and no notation of mileage disparity is required. Otherwise, the only adjustment a repair person is permitted to make is to reset the mileage to zero. Because of rampant tampering in years past Congress basically said no person, except the odometer manufacturer or service facility, will be allowed to mess with the odometer reading.
As far as BUDs not being able to change an odometer reading, it would open the door to odometer tampering and that is clearly a violation of the Federal law. There's an interesting discussion on this page about odometer fraud. https://www.simple-car-answers.com/Odometer-Mileage-Tampering.html. In short, the article says a professional speedometer facility may change the mileage on a new odo to match the old, but they have to do it manually! They must have been sent both the old and new odometers to make the change so the vehicle will not be driven during this time. If the mileage is fairly high it could take a couple of weeks to do that. If the input spins the speedometer at 120 mph it would take over 10 days to reach 30,000 miles!
The required sticker on the door post and the service order showing the mileage before the change are legal documents and are just as valid as a set of numbers on the odometer. Of course, if you want to collude with a crooked service technician, then all bets are off!
oregoncoast
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Is Can Am illegal?
I got my ace back today, they replaced the multifuction gauge, brake reservoir kit and handlebar clamp screw. But it had over 7,000 miles on it when I dropped it off. It had 16 miles when I got it back. As far as I know it is illegal to change odometer mileage for any reason . I should be transferred with new gauge. I will do some more checking next week. Any thoughts?
I got my ace back today, they replaced the multifuction gauge, brake reservoir kit and handlebar clamp screw. But it had over 7,000 miles on it when I dropped it off. It had 16 miles when I got it back. As far as I know it is illegal to change odometer mileage for any reason . I should be transferred with new gauge. I will do some more checking next week. Any thoughts?
Jsmith8695
Member
Did you get any paperwork indicating the odometer had been changed on a specific date and what the mileage to that date was?
oregoncoast
New member
Yes my ticket shows the mileage, but according to NHTSA it is illegal to change it. I will call them Monday.
BoilerAnimal
New member
I would think that if they gave you paperwork that stated the milage, they did their part. It's up to you to state the correct mileage when it's sold.
If you sold or traded your Spyder without stating what YOU KNEW to be the actual, correct milage, then you would be committing a fraud.
If you sold or traded your Spyder without stating what YOU KNEW to be the actual, correct milage, then you would be committing a fraud.
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Jsmith8695
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You didn't change it, the odometer was swapped out. This happens with autos at times also. It would be problematic if you sold the bike and didn't mention that it was changed out at 7000 miles. I do not know if there is some way to identify this on a motorcycle such as a sticker somewhere or if the information is stored with a title/registration. In NYC you have to certify the odometer reading is accurate when transferring ownership.
oregoncoast
New member
I don't think it should be my responsibility to remember and or keep a piece of paper because can am didn't figure out a way to transfer mileage. I am honest but what if someone else is not. Plus it is really annoying to have to keep track of mileage for maintenance. It is just unacceptable to me.
The dealer did say they can keep track of hours on the machine, not much help to me.
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