Aufgeblassen47
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Can you provide any documentation to this theory? Thanks!
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Can you provide any documentation to this theory? Thanks!
jcthorne
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How about you provide some documentation of your theory that runs contrary to API recommendations, all major lubricant companies, OEM equipment manufactures and the whole reason total base number is even analyzed on used oil analysis. You are the one coming on a forum espousing to ignore industry practice because you feel the whole world is out to cheat you. How about providing some documentation of your claims. Anecdotal evidence that you have gotten away with skirting required maintenance is not acceptable. Only research studies by accepted industry standards or recognized authorities in the lubricants industry.
Aufgeblassen47
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I'm sure my Volvo engine had an arbitrary X amount of time interval too. But it was fine well over a year's use.
It is a FACT that the oil companies make more money, changing oil sooner/unnecessarily than when it is actually worn out.
QuasiMotard
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Unfortunately, no... I dropped it off and they did the service in the background. The one thing that I did learn from the process is that it's messy and, if not done properly, it will make your bike smoke and stink for days. The windage tray under the motor is in the spill/splash zone during the oil change, so it can catch a lot of oil. The shop didn't realize this until I took it back to them... so they updated their procedures and advised the techs to watch out for that problem.
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Aufgeblassen47
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If it were "full of junk" your engine would have/have had catastrophic failure!
Aufgeblassen47
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Your receipt is good enough proof.
Highwayman2013
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That's why oil has a Base additive, no acid can form in normal use. I would not wait five years to change oil. I did have oil go over a year and 9,600 miles in our F3L and it was still fine after being analyzed, no breakdown, no acid.
Aufgeblassen47
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Your TBN (Total Base Number) of is not going to change/lower one iota while engine is just sitting, as NO NEW ACIDS are added to the oil from combustion. As long as your TBN is high enough whilst sitting (i.e. change your oil at recommended MILEAGE intervals) , it is a basic truism that there is NO deterioration of internal engine components - plain & simple!
Markubis
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What do you think happens to the acids that are currently in the oil? I agree that the TBN will not change but the amount in the oil already from running it will affect the engine over time.
Aufgeblassen47
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The oil is CONSTANTLY mixed when engine is running, so it not like the acids are at the very bottom (or top) of the crankcase, and over time (just sitting) mix in & deteriorate the oil! - THINK about it!
So the bottom line is that whatever both the pH & TBN of the oil is, when you shut off your engine is what it will be if it sits for a whole year. Kind of like a "suspended animation".
Aufgeblassen47
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It’s not a question of the oil breaking down in 3,500 miles/1 year. Instead it is a matter of the oil likely being diluted by water vapor (a normal byproduct of combustion), as well as the potential for oil sludging to take place.
The problem with a vehicle that logs low miles in 1 year is that–in most cases–those miles are accumulated mostly with short-distance local driving. That type of driving does not allow the engine and the oil to become hot enough to evaporate the water vapor, and the oil becomes diluted over time.
The process of dilution of the oil, coupled with an engine running on a richer than normal mixture when it is not fully warmed-up, can create the perfect storm for the formation of sludge, internal corrosion, and resulting engine damage.
So..... if you only take a few trips a year that DON'T have VERY short trips, your oil will be fine for many years!
https://community.cartalk.com/t/doe...e-with-little-mileage-or-engine-hours/66042/2
The problem with a vehicle that logs low miles in 1 year is that–in most cases–those miles are accumulated mostly with short-distance local driving. That type of driving does not allow the engine and the oil to become hot enough to evaporate the water vapor, and the oil becomes diluted over time.
The process of dilution of the oil, coupled with an engine running on a richer than normal mixture when it is not fully warmed-up, can create the perfect storm for the formation of sludge, internal corrosion, and resulting engine damage.
So..... if you only take a few trips a year that DON'T have VERY short trips, your oil will be fine for many years!
https://community.cartalk.com/t/doe...e-with-little-mileage-or-engine-hours/66042/2
Aufgeblassen47
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*** OR *** do oil analysis at the point oil is "recommended" (MILEAGE-wise!) to be changed at, and go from there. You will likely be (pleasantly) surprised that you oil is PERFECTLY fine, and you can DOUBLE (at least) your oil change interval! I did this with my 1998 Jetta TDI (turbo diesel), and went from 10K changes to 20K mile changes. My son is still using said vehicle, and it runs GREAT at 265K miles or so.
oregoncoast
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My first oil change was at 6,000. I just changed oil, gear box oil and final drive oil at 12,000. Since the manual is not clear I took it as 6,000. In my opinion they are trying to give business to dealers that might not be necessary. I did not change the o rings even though I had new ones. Unless there pinched they last quite awhile, but that is just me. Others will have different points of view.
Switchback12
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I always change my oil according to owner's manual. I don't like to throw away cash if I don't have to. You can change the oil every week if you want to, if that makes you happy but why? Today's oil is not same as oil we used 10 year or 5 years ago. Both my wife and my car first recommended oil change is 20000 miles. I know some people who owns same car will change their oil 3K, more power to them.
As per the OP I will try to make video of my first oil change and post it here, but you may have to wait while I only have 3000 miles on it.
As per the OP I will try to make video of my first oil change and post it here, but you may have to wait while I only have 3000 miles on it.
canamryder
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I tried an open end 8mm wrench from the front, under the steering linkage. It broke loose easily. I got the impression that you could screw the bolt out the rest of the way with your fingers. I didn't go any further though. I'm not going to change my oil until it's time for it's winter nap. (4,000 miles?)
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