new 250cc spyder knock off

[WackyDan]

"Never criticize another man, until you have walked a mile in his shoes".

If you haven't ridden one, who are some of you to pop off the usual bigoted "if it's Chinese, it must be crap" malarkey? They may well be quite nice little machines.:lecturef_smilie:

Considering we are all typing on our Chinese computers.... I work for a Chinese company, so I'm a bit sensitive to anti- Chinese sentiment. My company makes a very high quality product and a very well known brand while employing a few thousand people in the US and Canada.

 

[3wheeldemon]

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NO stability control
NO antilock brakes
NO power steering....

NO canister!:yes:

just kidding:roflblack:

3WD

 

[SpyderKev]

"Never criticize another man, until you have walked a mile in his shoes".

If you haven't ridden one, who are some of you to pop off the usual bigoted "if it's Chinese, it must be crap" malarkey? They may well be quite nice little machines.:lecturef_smilie:

Ok, I'm curious if anyone has had a Chinese manufactured ATV, Motorcycle, Scooter, etc that has stood the test of time.

I've been burned bad on a kids ATV and a few of my friends and brother have as well. My kids ATV started falling apart after the first ride, and it ate 2 pistons/rings in the first year. The distributer bailed after dumping a bunch of them on the market. I paid $1400 for it in addition to putting in a lot of hours/parts (took for ever to find parts) only to sell it for $200 after 1 year.

For comparison, I paid $800 for a used 1986 Honda 200SX in 2002 and the thing ran solid for over 5 years before the kids grew out of it and I sold it for $600 to a friend.

Don't get me wrong, I really am curious if the quality has come up any since my experiences.

 

[Motza]

I'd buy one for $2500 and give it to my son instesd of a go cart...
But since I don't have a son to bad! I'll take one in pink... "Barbie Spyder"

Next you'll see an Chinese version of Magic Man accessories, called Miso Magic Man...
Miso funny

 

[QuadManiac]

I currently have 2 Chinese and 1 Taiwanese scooter. They are all built on the same basic floorpan. One Chinese is a 150cc aircooled (i've had 2 others), one is a 150cc water cooled and the Taiwanese is a 250cc water cooled. I've also had (and just recently sold) a Japanese (80's) Yamaha 180 scooter and Yamaha 50cc and a Chinese 50cc scooter.

Of all, the Taiwanese (Kymco) and the Yamaha's were the best built, but the Chinese weren't bad. The primary problem with the Chinese bikes is QA. You'd receive them and bolts would be loose, wiring kind of shoddy and overall not as good a fit and finish as the Japanese and Tiawanese bikes, which are top notch. Apparently they all follow the same basic design, borrowed from 80's Yamaha and Hondas that they were licenesed to build for in country use. THe parts, instead of coming from big suppliers, come from small mom and pop shops, all made to fit the common platform. So, the quality of a particular brand of Chinese bike (even though the parts are almost all interchangeable) is wholly dependent upon who the assembler (who ultimately sells to the US sellers) uses as his parts suppliers and how good their QA is.

I'm sure this new Spyder clone is built with the same basic parts as the 2 wheeled 250's - A GY6 engine/CVT transmission/rear wheel assembly all as a single unit, pivoting around the frame mount with shock/s to the frame. All they've changed is the front half of the frame adding a-arms and steering. (Yes, the entire engine, tranny and rear wheel are live, unsprung weight)

I sure wouldn't pay $7,000 for this. The quality and value of the drive train just doesn't support it. The standard Chinese 2 wheel 250's go for between $1.5 and 2.5k... If this was available for maybe $3k, I'd consider it just so my G/F could have something to ride along with me once in a while.

Until then, I guess I'm saving up for another Spyder for her.

 

[bone crusher]

"Never criticize another man, until you have walked a mile in his shoes".

If you haven't ridden one, who are some of you to pop off the usual bigoted "if it's Chinese, it must be crap" malarkey? They may well be quite nice little machines.:lecturef_smilie:

Please get one and let us know how well it runs and for how long...

 

[bone crusher]

I'd buy one for $2500 and give it to my son instesd of a go cart...
But since I don't have a son to bad! I'll take one in pink... "Barbie Spyder"

Next you'll see an Chinese version of Magic Man accessories, called Miso Magic Man...
Miso funny

:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack: It'll be like the Saturday Night Live Adobe car...(if anyone can remember that far back?)

 

[Arch]

You haven't seen any yet have you. They are held up at their boarder and not being shipped. Problem with manufacturing, not being allowed out of the country is my understanding. Had a dealer here have two on order for months and can't get them delivered and can't get his money back. He was laughing at me for buying the spyder and paying so much for one. Hate to say it but who is laughing now.

Ed

 

[dltang]

Ok, I'm curious if anyone has had a Chinese manufactured ATV, Motorcycle, Scooter, etc that has stood the test of time.

I've been burned bad on a kids ATV and a few of my friends and brother have as well. My kids ATV started falling apart after the first ride, and it ate 2 pistons/rings in the first year. The distributer bailed after dumping a bunch of them on the market. I paid $1400 for it in addition to putting in a lot of hours/parts (took for ever to find parts) only to sell it for $200 after 1 year.

For comparison, I paid $800 for a used 1986 Honda 200SX in 2002 and the thing ran solid for over 5 years before the kids grew out of it and I sold it for $600 to a friend.

Don't get me wrong, I really am curious if the quality has come up any since my experiences.

I had a QLink 150cc Scooter prior to my Spyder. I really did like it and I rode it everywhere. It worked just fine. I actually was looking to upgrade to a larger scooter when we came across the spyder. I had a very good experience and for the price, it fit my needs. Just like the spyder, the dealership has a lot to do with it. I could have purchased a much cheaper version of the scooter on line but I wanted to get one from a real dealership. I used the same dealership that I have currently for my spyder. I had a little bit of work on the scooter but it was all under warranty. Never put out any extra money for it. I changed the oil regularly and took care of it. I can see why people would purchase these chinese knock offs. It you can't afford more you made do with what you can afford. If you take care of it and work with reputable people, it usually works out to your advantage. I am sure there are plenty of horror stories but hey, look at the outsider that reads our forum. What do you think is going through his mind about the spyder. Anyway, I love my spyder way better than my scooter but I did have a good experience and that is what the question was.

 

[jvicker]

My riding lawn mower has more horsepower.

But the 80mpg would be nice.

Maybe I could use it as a winter beater!

 

[jvicker]

some assembly required...
i hope one does pull up next to me.

:agree: A spyder can smoke almost anything. I'd love to see one pull up next to me at a light.


Grandma's Hoverround might even be able to take it.

 

[SpyderKev]

I had a QLink 150cc Scooter prior to my Spyder. I really did like it and I rode it everywhere. It worked just fine. I actually was looking to upgrade to a larger scooter when we came across the spyder. I had a very good experience and for the price, it fit my needs. Just like the spyder, the dealership has a lot to do with it. I could have purchased a much cheaper version of the scooter on line but I wanted to get one from a real dealership. I used the same dealership that I have currently for my spyder. I had a little bit of work on the scooter but it was all under warranty. Never put out any extra money for it. I changed the oil regularly and took care of it. I can see why people would purchase these chinese knock offs. It you can't afford more you made do with what you can afford. If you take care of it and work with reputable people, it usually works out to your advantage. I am sure there are plenty of horror stories but hey, look at the outsider that reads our forum. What do you think is going through his mind about the spyder. Anyway, I love my spyder way better than my scooter but I did have a good experience and that is what the question was.

Interesting to hear that people have had some success on the Chinese scooters. Perhaps this is more of a dirtbike/atv issue?

On my ATV's/Dirtbikes I change the oil & oil filter after every other ride with a good synthetic oil and clean/oil the air filters after every ride. I prefer to do all the engine work on the fleet, so I'm critical about maintenance. All of my families quads/bikes right now are Honda's (except the Spyder), but we've owned some from all the big 4 Japanese manufactures with great success.

 

[shunkmanitu]

So does my riding mower!

My riding lawn mower has more horsepower.

Mine to!

 

[bjt]

Interesting to hear that people have had some success on the Chinese scooters. Perhaps this is more of a dirtbike/atv issue?

On my ATV's/Dirtbikes I change the oil & oil filter after every other ride with a good synthetic oil and clean/oil the air filters after every ride. I prefer to do all the engine work on the fleet, so I'm critical about maintenance. All of my families quads/bikes right now are Honda's (except the Spyder), but we've owned some from all the big 4 Japanese manufactures with great success.

At the time we got it, the QLink was supposed to be the top of the line Chinese scooter. For that, we paid a $1000 + premium for it over a lot of other cheap 150cc scooters. I didn't think as much of it as dltang did but it was hers and she rode it just about anywhere she could. I would have preferred one of the Japanese scooters over the QLink but they were another $1500 (and up) more than what we paid for the QLink.

In the end, that scooter led us both to the Spyder so I guess it worked out in that respect.

 

[pjense2002]

for example

my dad just got a cvt 250 liquid cooled china made rig with the old tooling honda motor he gave 900 bucks it looks good runs good starts right up and get around 70 mpg with him on it he is about 5' 10" 280 lbs
but it will barely go 70 and it is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy lighter than this thing
also it does not say anything (if i remember correctly) about power steering
that thing will be a beast to turn and it is at most going to be pushing 50 mph

and we all know that this thing will be colored plastic (not painted)
so just like they say you get what you pay for

btw his is a mp250 used with 900 miles it has a radio and key faub remote start and front and rear storage it was truly a bargain if he even gets 1000 miles out of her

 

[SpyderKev]

The other concerning factor is the narrower width of it. It's 48" vs the Spyder's 59". I imagine this thing would flip easily if you had to swerve. :shocked:

 

[QuadManiac]

The other concerning factor is the narrower width of it. It's 48" vs the Spyder's 59". I imagine this thing would flip easily if you had to swerve. :shocked:

AND I seriously doubt it has any form of nanny... some of the newest large Chinese scooters do have simple anti-lock brakes, but that's all I would expect here. I'd bet that it will do 0-60 in the 12-15 second regime; It's not gonna be a speedster... BUT it will go fast enough in turns to get you into trouble.

 

[XXX 74]

"Never criticize another man, until you have walked a mile in his shoes".

If you haven't ridden one, who are some of you to pop off the usual bigoted "if it's Chinese, it must be crap" malarkey? They may well be quite nice little machines.:lecturef_smilie:

:agree: no reason to be haters.. it is what it is. it should be a fun toy to have as well... I would buy it. with a 250cc and the stability of a 3 wheeler, is way safer than getting a scooter...

most of you are missing the point. A lot of people dont have the resources to buy a spyder, this is an alternate choice for them to have fun just like a spyder owner... If BRP was intelligent enough, they would make the Spyder available in different sizes just like any other counterparts do with the bikes... 600cc, 750cc, 1000cc, 1300cc, etc...

:agree: A spyder can smoke almost anything. I'd love to see one pull up next to me at a light.


Grandma's Hoverround might even be able to take it.

:roflblack::roflblack: the spyder is not fast. :roflblack::roflblack:

how can you compare the spyder to a 250cc??? :roflblack: it shows how much you really know...:roflblack:


how would you like any sports bike to pull next to you on a light and do the exact same thing ? and i am not talking about a 1000cc. or a Hayabusa 1300cc... Even the 600cc like the Yamaha R6/ Suzuki GSX-R 600/ Ninja 600 will smoke you...

 

[shunkmanitu]

A couple of points.

:agree: no reason to be haters.. it is what it is. it should be a fun toy to have as well... I would buy it. with a 250cc and the stability of a 3 wheeler, is way safer than getting a scooter...
The only given stability of a three wheeler over a two wheeler is at rest. That is the reason for the "Nanny" on the spyder. I can corner as fast on Iktome as I could on the Pacific Coast and gravel will not mean a "low-side". The much narrower track of the 250 and NO stability control could well get one into trouble. That is the reason I got the Spyder over other Trikes, both professional and homebuilts. It is well designed even though most of us could see some changes.

most of you are missing the point. A lot of people dont have the resources to buy a spyder, this is an alternate choice for them to have fun just like a spyder owner... If BRP was intelligent enough, they would make the Spyder available in different sizes just like any other counterparts do with the bikes... 600cc, 750cc, 1000cc, 1300cc, etc...

One good engine is better than several fair ones. Less power than the Spyder would be a disapointment for most riders. More power would overprice the Spyder and just overwork the traction control.



:roflblack::roflblack: the spyder is not fast. :roflblack::roflblack:

Hit the red-line in the first three gears in front of any cop then try to convince him; "But Officer, the Spyder is NOT fast."!

how can you compare the spyder to a 250cc??? :roflblack: it shows how much you really know...:roflblack:

The joke is that the whole discussion is exactly that. Spyder verses a market rip-off.


how would you like any sports bike to pull next to you on a light and do the exact same thing ? and i am not talking about a 1000cc. or a Hayabusa 1300cc... Even the 600cc like the Yamaha R6/ Suzuki GSX-R 600/ Ninja 600 will smoke you...

Compare it to other Trikes, it is a Soprt Touring set-up, NOT a race replica (GSX-R or R6). In an urban situation there is little chance to use the full power or handling of the Spyder. Even in the rural Alabama countryside there are too many tractors, farm trucks, tourists, and wandering critters to really get into it much.

 

[XXX 74]

shunkmanitu

your response is a Typical blinded owner response...

some people complaint that they dont want the "nanny" (Traction control) and other that the reason they got it is because of the nanny...
the "nanny" simply compensates for the inability or lack of ability of the driver/rider. A good rider does not want it because it takes away some of the fun... an average to novice driver needs it because it would save them from themselves... I think that there should be a switch to turn it on or off... I hate when the nanny takes over when im having fun with the spyder...
a couple of years ago there was no "nanny".


"One good engine is better than several fair ones. Less power than the Spyder would be a disapointment for most riders. More power would overprice the Spyder and just overwork the traction control."

I have no idea how you came up with "one good engine"... specially with the rotax...
The gixxer has 4 lines and ALL of them have great engines...Some of them setting the standard for what a great motorcycle production street legal engine for bikes is all about... for the record, I would not mind a smaller engine with a smaller price and I would not mind a bigger one... therefore that is a matter of opinions... I bet that if there was an option of a 600cc Spyder out there with a smaller price tag then there will be more 600cc spyders out there... most people buy the spyper for the FUN FACTOR !!

so you say that the power of the bike should be limited to the traction control because if the bike has more power then it will overwork the traction control?? :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack: you are hilarious :roflblack:


I got the spyder for the fun factor. not the fast factor...

"Hit the red-line in the first three gears in front of any cop then try to convince him; "But Officer, the Spyder is NOT fast."!
Compare it to other Trikes, it is a Soprt Touring set-up, NOT a race replica (GSX-R or R6). In an urban situation there is little chance to use the full power or handling of the Spyder. Even in the rural Alabama countryside there are too many tractors, farm trucks, tourists, and wandering critters to really get into it much."

again, you missed the point. someone was comparing the spyder to the 250cc...

but since you want to compare the spyder to other trikes i can say that... The spyder is not fast...
check the t-rex or the scorpion or the busa trike or the crossbow or the trirod or the subG1...

like you said and i think this is where we both agree: it is a Sport Touring set up.

I think BRP should have different engine versions.. give people choices...


Bottom line is that I know The Spyder is a great bike for the price, i got it for the fun factor but Im not a blind Spyder owner and i can see how other people can benefit from having options...

I would buy the "replica" for me or for my son... save a lot of money and have fun with it... :clap:

I hope more manufacturers start building more trikes... I would love to see a trike made by Suzuki/Yamaha/Kawasaki/ with the option of a 600cc / 750cc/ 1000cc or even the 1300cc... :clap::clap::clap:

if I knew then what I know now i would have gotten the busa conversion in the picture below..