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Give me your tired, your poor

IdahoMtnSpyder said:
In England, at least 30 years ago, you do not need to be a citizen to take advantage of their social benefits. At least not in the realm of medical care. I lived in England for a year in 1988-89. During that time I got visits to a physician and a crown on a tooth at zero cost to me.
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Most civilized countries consider health care to be a basic right and necessity for PEOPLE. Period. None of this bull**** we put our citizens and visitors through.
 
UtahPete said:
Most civilized countries consider health care to be a basic right and necessity for PEOPLE. Period. None of this bull**** we put our citizens and visitors through.
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Is using other peoples money to pay for it part of the basic right? I agree health care should be cheaper but i don't
bust my ass at work to help others who don't work at all. Pete how many homeless or poor do you house at any
given time and what is your limit?
 
JerryB said:
Hi canamjhb,

Re: Does that make me a Norwegian Citizen and eligible for all the Norwegian benefits?

I cannot speak for Norway. However, I know a woman whose son was born in a US Military hospital in France. He has dual citizenship, American & French. He once told me he would never return to France because he would be elegible for the French military conscription.

Jerry Baumchen

PS) I also knew a number of people born in Brazil to Dutch citizens and they had dual citizenship.
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Dual citizenship is quite common throughout the world now. USA didn't use to recognize it but does now. My two adopted daughters were both Romanian citizens before adoption and are now naturalized US citizens but they still hold Romanian passports as well. No big deal.

My wife was born on an American airfield in Japan but was not a citizen of either country until age 18 when she had to choose. She chose USA but has come to regret it. And before an argument begins.....the only American soil in Japan (and in most other countries) is the embassy. A military airfield is still the host countries property. But this does go to show the lack of wisdom our early lawmakers had with regard to citizenship. Someone born on foreign soil to American parents (and military no less) is not automatically an American citizen but someone who manged to be delivered on American soil becomes a citizen upon birth even though neither parent is.
 
SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN said:
Is using other peoples money to pay for it part of the basic right? I agree health care should be cheaper but i don't
bust my ass at work to help others who don't work at all. Pete how many homeless or poor do you house at any
given time and what is your limit?
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What do you consider "other peoples money"? I pay for our entire society through my taxes and have my entire working life. That is the price of getting to live in this society. If you are one of those "I've got mine and piss on you" you don't belong here. That is not what made this country as great as it used to be (and hopefully will become again).
 
RinconRyder said:
Someone born on foreign soil to American parents (and military no less) is not automatically an American citizen but someone who manged to be delivered on American soil becomes a citizen upon birth even though neither parent is.
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Someone born to ONE American parent is a natural born American citizen.* It has nothing to do with whether you're military or not, even though it happened that I personally was in the military at the time our eldest son was born in the Philippines. His mother was a Philippine citizen then and he was born on Clark Air Base, which was and is property of the Philippine government then under lease to the U.S. Our son was issued his "Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America" and a U.S. passport within a couple of weeks after his birth in the Philippines. Also see: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/while-abroad/birth-abroad.html

* Another person here mentioned that the rules may have changed over the years but what I describe here was the law in 1987 and is correct today.
 
RinconRyder said:
What do you consider "other peoples money"? I pay for our entire society through my taxes and have my entire working life. That is the price of getting to live in this society. If you are one of those "I've got mine and piss on you" you don't belong here. That is not what made this country as great as it used to be (and hopefully will become again).
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Do you mean it is not great again?:roflblack:

Okay UP, do you see it now? I was just joking.
 
IdahoMtnSpyder said:
I think it is time to be reminded what a certain structure means to the world, and to our heritage.

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
Emma Lazarus, 1883
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I guess this didn't apply to the Native Americans of that time period.
 
wyliec said:
I guess this didn't apply to the Native Americans of that time period.
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Nor to the Irish escaping the potato famine.

Nor to the Asians attempting immigration in the last half of the 1800's (and continuing through the first few decades of the 1900's).

Nor to the Latin Americans trying to find a means of supporting their families of the late 1900's.

America tends to embrace very high ideals which seldom are executed successfully.
 
UtahPete said:
Trump wants to eliminate the 'chain immigration' loophole (the one his wife used to bring her parents here). If there were no 'chain immigration' when my parents wanted to bring my sister and I to America, we would still be in England no doubt. We were 'sponsored' by my father's sister.

The only 'wall' I respect is the Vietnam Veterans Memorial on the Washington Mall. Border walls are an offense to humanity AND an admission that Homeland Security is a pathetic waste of taxpayers' money.
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You must talking about those walls every Hollywood star politician,the White House ,and Israel has right those ones that don't work
 
UtahPete said:
What is the highest level of education you ever accomplished? Seriously, everything you post is gibberish.
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Ok I’ll go slowly.

the Hollywood stars have walls around there houses

The White House has walls

the congressman Personal houses have walls

Iseral has a wall

they all are effective at keeping them separated from those they don’t want inside there personal space That clear enough?
 
Hi r1100rider,

Re: That clear enough?

Did you sleep through your English Comp. classes in school?

Jerry Baumchen
 
Hi Jerry,
With all of the absurd posturing on ALL sides of this thread: was his choice of sentence structure the only thing that you could come up with?
 
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