Anyone want to wake up BRP?

[WackyDan]

Funny as I'm a systems engineer but don't know the first thing about compiling a video to youtube.com.

I had an idea though.... Anyone out there youtube savvy?

Take all the pictures of burned spyders, place some nice intro text at the start of the video and notations for each segment with the individual fires. Compiling the pics into the video and posting would probably stir the pot well.

Problem is... It may force BRP to issue a statement, but it may also force some potential buyers away. Loss of business is indeed a motivator eh?

Don't call me a trouble maker... I'm just tired after a long night on my Spyder and staying up an extra hour to let her cool off before I push her into the garage...So I got to thinking.

 

[gazey]

10 minutes should be enough...

After what I have read about these fires I think 10 minutes to cool down should be plenty of time.
If it don't go up in the first ten minutes I don't think is going up at all. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Firefly]

Funny as I'm a systems engineer but don't know the first thing about compiling a video to youtube.com.

I had an idea though.... Anyone out there youtube savvy?

Take all the pictures of burned spyders, place some nice intro text at the start of the video and notations for each segment with the individual fires. Compiling the pics into the video and posting would probably stir the pot well.

Problem is... It may force BRP to issue a statement, but it may also force some potential buyers away. Loss of business is indeed a motivator eh?

Don't call me a trouble maker... I'm just tired after a long night on my Spyder and staying up an extra hour to let her cool off before I push her into the garage...So I got to thinking.

Interesting idea -- along the lines of the guy who had his Taylor guitar broken by United Airlines (just search youtube for 'united breaks guitars).

BUT----

I really think it's too soon for such an action. In my opinion, the main problem here isn't BRP's lack of response--- it is the lack of most of these fires not being properly documented and reported to the NHTSA--- which frankly is the fault of those owners who didn't take the time to report them.

 

[BajaRon]

No one can deny that there are issues with at least a few Spyders.

Still, from everything that I know and the BRP people I've met I am convinced they are on our side.

You can be assured BRP is not ignoring any of these issues. They have an approach that may not thrill us as we want answers and solutions yesterday. As great as that would be it just isn't the way things work.

A corporation just isn't going to jump out and do something until they have a pretty good consensus from all departsments as to what needs to be done. That isn't necessarily bad. Especially if they get it right the 1st time.

I'm not saying that we need to blindly trust anyone to take care of everything. BRP or the dealerships. Just that we need to give them some benefit of the doubt along the way.

Beating them up should be the last resort.

 

[Tom in NM]

I agree with Ron . . . . (again) . . . .

No one can deny that there are issues with at least a few Spyders.

Still, from everything that I know and the BRP people I've met I am convinced they are on our side.

You can be assured BRP is not ignoring any of these issues. They have an approach that may not thrill us as we want answers and solutions yesterday. As great as that would be it just isn't the way things work.

A corporation just isn't going to jump out and do something until they have a pretty good consensus from all departsments as to what needs to be done. That isn't necessarily bad. Especially if they get it right the 1st time.

I'm not saying that we need to blindly trust anyone to take care of everything. BRP or the dealerships. Just that we need to give them some benefit of the doubt along the way.

Beating them up should be the last resort.

. . . . patience, persistence and vigilance is what I think will get all of us to a good ending on this. Not always easy, but that is what it takes.

Tom

 

[zzneonzz]

Maybe i'm completely off base here but unless the numbers have risen since the last time i was on the site i believe there were only 4 maybe 5 fires regarding the spyder and 1 of them was due to a forest fire.

That is a very small fraction of the spyder population. No one even knows the actual cause of any of them from what i remember so as far as we know it could be overfilling the tank afterall the Manual states to insert the nozzle completely and stop at the first click and i know from reading all the "How much fuel does it hold" posts that many spyder owners don't follow this rule and whats to say this wasn't the cause of it? Or it could be some flaw in the design but with such a small fraction of them having issues and no known cause at this time i think bashing BRP is not the best course of action. These could be 5 fires started by 5 different reasons for all we know they can't just issue a generic bulliten till they have determined a cause that is a manufacturer defect or else everything that has any type of power or flamable liquid would have to carry a "May Cause Fire" warning.

Also if you own a ford many of them have gone up in flames and i'm talking 100's so if you own a ford you better let it cool off outside the garage as well. Oh and chrystler/dodge same thing. Oh wait those company's also waited till they found the cause of the fires. Ford - Cruise control wiring issue. Chrystler/Dodge - Leaking Fuel rail. But if you looked at any of those forums when it was happening you would have found posts with complaints about them going up in flames.

I think its great folks are posting their problems/fixes and also letting the community know about the fires but going off half ****ed when a cause has yet to be determined seems a bit much.

 

[BLACK WIDOW]

BRP

Funny as I'm a systems engineer but don't know the first thing about compiling a video to youtube.com.

I had an idea though.... Anyone out there youtube savvy?

Take all the pictures of burned spyders, place some nice intro text at the start of the video and notations for each segment with the individual fires. Compiling the pics into the video and posting would probably stir the pot well.

Problem is... It may force BRP to issue a statement, but it may also force some potential buyers away. Loss of business is indeed a motivator eh?

Don't call me a trouble maker... I'm just tired after a long night on my Spyder and staying up an extra hour to let her cool off before I push her into the garage...So I got to thinking.

I would not do this. That kind of action could Snowball into something more than you wanted. If it would get out of hand (More rumor than fact) and people wouldn't buy the product (remember the Chevy Corvair) BRP would take it off the market and you would loose your investment also. I say let BRP handle the problems, we just need to be sure that they are reported factually.:lecturef_smilie:IMHO


Michael:doorag:

 

[Desert Spyder]

I would not do this. That kind of action could Snowball into something more than you wanted. If it would get out of hand (More rumor than fact) and people wouldn't buy the product (remember the Chevy Corvair) BRP would take it off the market and you would loose your investment also. I say let BRP handle the problems, we just need to be sure that they are reported factually.:lecturef_smilie:IMHO


Michael:doorag:

:agree:

I remember seeing a report on TV: 60 minutes or something similar, how one of the Big 3 in Detroit recalled EVERY car of a certain model, name escapes me, and junked them. Few escaped.

 

[Zerocool]

I would not do this. That kind of action could Snowball into something more than you wanted. If it would get out of hand (More rumor than fact) and people wouldn't buy the product (remember the Chevy Corvair) BRP would take it off the market and you would loose your investment also. I say let BRP handle the problems, we just need to be sure that they are reported factually.:lecturef_smilie:IMHO


Michael:doorag:

:agree:

 

[Bersquack]

:agree: with most who suggested that we need more information about the fires and have proff that BRP is ignoring the situation which I find hard to believe.

I hate to say this, but we have to wait and see.

 

[wyliec]

I would not do this. That kind of action could Snowball into something more than you wanted. If it would get out of hand (More rumor than fact) and people wouldn't buy the product (remember the Chevy Corvair) BRP would take it off the market and you would loose your investment also. I say let BRP handle the problems, we just need to be sure that they are reported factually.:lecturef_smilie:IMHO


Michael:doorag:

I agree, except the the Corvair is a collector's item now.


My uncle had a Corvair Spyder. He never agreed with the rollover thing.

 

[NancysToy]

I still ride the Spyder into the garage every time. I understand your frustration, though. If a person is intimidated by their vehicle, it is never as much fun as when they were blindly "in love". I am sorry you have reached the point of doubt and worry.

I agree that this would not be a good approach. Sensationalism seldom reaches the right people or sends the right message. Once you hit the tabloids, your reputation is tarnished forever. In this case I think that would be overkill, and unwarranted. It takes proper reporting of problems like this to get the ball rolling, as Firefly has stated so well. It also takes investigation, lots of discussion, and some good engineering to overcome any common cause that is found. These take time! It is also very possible that these incidents have different causes, and for that there is no simple solution. Jumping to the wrong conclusions, and fixing the wrong thing, would do nothing but create a false confidence and ruin the brand's reputation forever. This thing has to be done right!

Until the time that there is a well conceived solution for this issue......if that time ever comes, I will continue to ride as I always have, and drive into the garage after every ride. Yes, I am more thorough in my inspections now. Yes, I have covered the front fuel filter line with corrugated tubing, as the 2009 models are now equipped. And yes, I am more careful about how I fill the gas tank, slowly and just close to the "no-lead" ring. These are simple but prudent precautions, and I expect them to suffice. It is my hope that all Spyder owners will be reasonably careful in a similar manner, but that none of them become scared of their machines.

 

[Putt-Putt]

Ok what did I miss on this subject of fires? This is the first I've seen on this subject.:dontknow:

 

[Magic Man]

I know there have been some Spyder fires, and to those unlucky few my heart goes out.

With 10,000 Spyders is the US alone, that's only a .0007 chance of it happening to any one of us.

The day I let anything with a .0007 chance of it happening keep we up at night, is the day get my head checked. Becauase if I did let those kind of things worry me, I be a nervous wreck about everything.

I have a greater than .0007 chance of my house buring down, as one in 1200 houses has a fire each year which is a .00083 chance. That is greater than the chance my Spyder will burn.

I have great insurance (and insurance checks always clear the bank LOL) and these are not bursting into flames when the people were running them getting the owners hurt.

So, for me, I'll "roll the dice" and ride mine until the wheels fall off. Because at 50 life's far too short to worry about ANYTHING that has only an .0007 chance of happening to me. :thumbup:

MM

 

[JimAlpha]

I would not do this. That kind of action could Snowball into something more than you wanted. If it would get out of hand (More rumor than fact) and people wouldn't buy the product (remember the Chevy Corvair) BRP would take it off the market and you would loose your investment also. I say let BRP handle the problems, we just need to be sure that they are reported factually.:lecturef_smilie:IMHO


Michael:doorag:

Please do not forget 60 Minutes and their Audi press which tanked Audi sales in the US for years. I agree with Black Widow and in honor of his wise comments I have bolded this statement.

 

[3tracs]

I would not do this. That kind of action could Snowball into something more than you wanted. If it would get out of hand (More rumor than fact) and people wouldn't buy the product (remember the Chevy Corvair) BRP would take it off the market and you would loose your investment also. I say let BRP handle the problems, we just need to be sure that they are reported factually.:lecturef_smilie:IMHO


Michael:doorag:

:agree:

 

[BLACK WIDOW]

Fires

I know there have been some Spyder fires, and to those unlucky few my heart goes out.

With 10,000 Spyders is the US alone, that's only a .0007 chance of it happening to any one of us.

The day I let anything with a .0007 chance of it happening keep we up at night, is the day get my head checked. Becauase if I did let those kind of things worry me, I be a nervous wreck about everything.

I have a greater than .0007 chance of my house buring down, as one in 1200 houses has a fire each year which is a .00083 chance. That is greater than the chance my Spyder will burn.

I have great insurance (and insurance checks always clear the bank LOL) and these are not bursting into flames when the people were running them getting the owners hurt.

So, for me, I'll "roll the dice" and ride mine until the wheels fall off. Because at 50 life's far too short to worry about ANYTHING that has only an .0007 chance of happening to me. :thumbup:

MM

:agree:Excellent point!!

Michael:doorag:

 

[Biker]

I still ride the Spyder into the garage every time. I understand your frustration, though. If a person is intimidated by their vehicle, it is never as much fun as when they were blindly "in love". I am sorry you have reached the point of doubt and worry.

I agree that this would not be a good approach. Sensationalism seldom reaches the right people or sends the right message. Once you hit the tabloids, your reputation is tarnished forever. In this case I think that would be overkill, and unwarranted. It takes proper reporting of problems like this to get the ball rolling, as Firefly has stated so well. It also takes investigation, lots of discussion, and some good engineering to overcome any common cause that is found. These take time! It is also very possible that these incidents have different causes, and for that there is no simple solution. Jumping to the wrong conclusions, and fixing the wrong thing, would do nothing but create a false confidence and ruin the brand's reputation forever. This thing has to be done right!

Until the time that there is a well conceived solution for this issue......if that time ever comes, I will continue to ride as I always have, and drive into the garage after every ride. Yes, I am more thorough in my inspections now. Yes, I have covered the front fuel filter line with corrugated tubing, as the 2009 models are now equipped. And yes, I am more careful about how I fill the gas tank, slowly and just close to the "no-lead" ring. These are simple but prudent precautions, and I expect them to suffice. It is my hope that all Spyder owners will be reasonably careful in a similar manner, but that none of them become scared of their machines.

I couldn't have said it better myself, Scotty. Yes, this machine isn't perfect by no means but it is a fun machine and it still makes me smile every time I kick it into gear and crack the throttle. I think this machine is still in it's early infinite stages of quirks but, for the most part it's a good machine. In time they will fix the situations we are worried about. The owners are giving BRP feedback on it's problems and thats' what they need. If they don't take care of the problems, they will lose the fight and the product will go away. Hang in there Spyder riders, we will prevail.

 

[BLACK WIDOW]

Facts

I agree, except the the Corvair is a collector's item now.


My uncle had a Corvair Spyder. He never agreed with the rollover thing.

Yes, the Corvair is a collectors item, I just hope the Spyder isn't about 40 years from now. BTW I never did agree with the roll-over thing either. It was later proven in un-biased tests (after it was to late) that the Corvair was a lot safer than many popular cars on the road at that time; The VW being one of those.nojoke


Michael:doorag:

 

[3wheeldemon]

I would not do this. That kind of action could Snowball into something more than you wanted. If it would get out of hand (More rumor than fact) and people wouldn't buy the product (remember the Chevy Corvair) BRP would take it off the market and you would loose your investment also. I say let BRP handle the problems, we just need to be sure that they are reported factually.:lecturef_smilie:IMHO


Michael:doorag:

:agree:Exactly my thoughts!

But since we are going into a possitive mood now in this board, lets start a list of top 10 things to do while you wait to see if your Spyder cools off:spyder::

I will start with three:

Cleaning my faceshield
Taking the dirt out of my Spyder rims and tuperware
Think about garage improvement projects I will never do

3WD