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New GOP gun law.

"What laws is the judicial system not enforcing?"

Plea-bargaining, and minimum sentences that never seem to keep a scumbag incarcerated for even that short period of time...
 
Machinegunner said:
Semi automatics were invented in the 1890s. These weapons are not the problem. Something happened to our society, we have to fix that, not the guns.
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When semi-automatics were invented, we didn't have the NRA promoting their unlicensed ownership, propelled by irrational fear of government control. In fact, we don't have to go back that far to a time when widespread ownership of guns by the general populace was unheard of. Then, the weapons manufacturers, who weren't satisfied with a shrinking market after the major wars wound down, used the NRA to promote gun ownership any way they could. The rest is history.
 
Bob Denman said:
"What laws is the judicial system not enforcing?" Plea-bargaining, and minimum sentences that never seem to keep a scumbag incarcerated for even that short period of time...
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That could be said for any number of crimes. I'm asking which gun control laws are not being enforced, which if better enforced would negate the need for more gun control?
 
BitSlayer said:
More laws are not the issue. The true issue is enforcement of the existing laws. We need to get a judicial system that is concerned with enforcement the laws and not legislating what they want the laws to be.
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I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're talking about. Which courts are now acting as both the judicial and the legislative branches?
 
Navydad said:
Problem is a lot of the folks in government can't or refuse to differentiate between scumbags and those of us who are willing to own them in a responsible manner.
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Here's a question. How would you suggest we (as in 'we the government') go about sorting out the scumbags who don't deserve to possess guns from responsible citizens who do?
 
Bob Denman said:
The problem isn't the laws: it's the lack of swift, severe, and certain punishment. :gaah:
If punishments are harsh enough: the scumbags will eventually figure out that it's just not worth it. nojoke
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That simply doesn't work in the real world... otherwise states with Capital Punishment shouldn't have any murders.......
 
Bob Denman said:
Am I?
If you brand a felon across their forehead: wouldn't this action make a person less likely to choose that path?
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Unfortunately this may not be a deterrent. It just might become a right of passage, like beating into a gang.

I'm a firm believer that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. After 21 years as a cop, I never leave home without my .45.
 
UtahPete said:
Well, we know who the pro-gun establishment is - the NRA. Who is the anti-gun establishment?
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The NRA is a PRO constitutional right called the second amendment, not pro gun!
Nice little twist to make it sound like people are either for or against guns, not a constitutional right. I am pro second amendment and I refuse to let anyone take that right away from me!

Are you Pro Life or Anti-life?
Of course that sounds to harsh so it is changed to Pro Choice, not pro death or anti life.
 
Fatcycledaddy said:
The NRA is a PRO constitutional right called the second amendment, not pro gun! Nice little twist to make it sound like people are either for or against guns, not a constitutional right. I am pro second amendment and I refuse to let anyone take that right away from me!

Are you Pro Life or Anti-life? Of course that sounds to harsh so it is changed to Pro Choice, not pro death or anti life.
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It's the NRA that is spinning this debate into a pro- or con- Second Amendment argument. When you become part of a well-regulated militia, come and talk to me about your unfettered right under the second amendment to possess and carry as many and whatever kind of weapon you choose.

It is the religious right that has spun their anti-abortion campaign into a pro- or anti- life argument when it is actually about whether or not a woman should have her freedom to choose denied her. I am for freedom of choice. I don't think you, I or the government should be taking away a woman's freedom to choose whether or not to carry a fetus to term.

What makes your freedom to own and carry guns sacrosanct, beyond government control, but a woman's right to choose how she deals with an unwanted pregnancy is legislated away without another thought to the constitutional principles involved? Your freedoms as a gun-owner trump a woman's freedoms; you don't see a problem with that?
 
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Pete,
You're way off the rails now... Where did the abortion discussion come from? :dontknow:

And when the framers of our Constitution were discussing "militias"; they meant each and every citizen.
 
UtahPete said:
Okay, so any felon is a scumbag and should be so branded. Got it.
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Yup! :thumbup:
But I don't think that branding someone who is mentally unfit; would be fair.
For that: I'd like law enforcement agencies to have better access to medical records. This entire HIPPA thing is a pain! nojoke
 
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