Nanny Codes -- Spyder Down

[bobgeorge]

Hello all,

For starters I have a 2015 RT Limited with approximately 1,200 miles. I have owned it a month.

So I was riding today around 65mph on the Washington, DC beltway. I was getting off an exit ramp and starting braking and the unit started downshifting. Then I started to notice I didn't have any power and the unit just kind of coasted to a stop. I then noticed the unit was still in 4th gear. I couldn't get it to downshift or move forward :sour:

I had it have it towed to the nearest dealer. I checked the error codes and they are:

P195B - Line pressure too low, 5bar feed pilot pressure regulator broken, leak in clutch circuit
P195C - Line pressure valve stuck, particle ingestion valve damage
P07B1 - Clutch valve stuck open on tank, a particle made the valve to stick in its close to tank position.

My unit is a SE6 so I don't even have a clutch. It is sitting at the dealership now and I am going to talk to them about it tomorrow.

Any idea what these mean?

 

[billybovine]

Of course you have a clutch. It is run by computer over hydraulics. No oil pressure means the clutch don't work. No more go. Call a flat bed and take it to the dealer.

 

[SpyderAnn01]

Yikes! That doesn't sound like the problems associated with this campaign http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?84810-2015-RT-Recall

 

[Chupaca]

Yikes..!!

this one needs a dealer fore sure. From the codes and tests this is more envolved and may need some internal snooping...:banghead::gaah:

 

[Peter Aawen]

The semi-automatics are the same gearbox as the manuals & pretty much the same clutch, they just have an 'automatic gear shift' grafted onto it instead of the clutch lever & foot gearshift!! In the SE6's it's computer over hydraulic, the SE5's it's computer over centrifugal. So yeah, just as others have said, you certainly DO have a clutch!! :sour:

Be that as it will, the very first thing to look at when any of these SE's has any gearchange issues is the oil level - the engine, clutch, & gearbox all share the oil, so if the oil level gets low, clutch & gearchange issues result even before the level is low enough to worry about damaging anything!! bobgeorge, did you check & top up the oil? That frequently resolves these sorts of issues. :shocked:

Hopefully yours hasn't gone beyond that point, bobgeorge, the codes don't really indicate anything much beyond there being not enough oil to work the clutch, so the computer was scrabbling for reasons that would cause that & looks to have put up anything that might've...... Hope it's not worse, but I just wonder what the dealer will make of it & how much it'll cost you? (& if they actually really need to do anything besides add oil & clear the codes??) pps:

 

[SpyderAnn01]

The semi-automatics are the same gearbox as the manuals & pretty much the same clutch, they just have an 'automatic gear shift' grafted onto it instead of the clutch lever & foot gearshift!! So yeah, just as others have said, you certainly DO have a clutch!! :sour:

Be that as it will, the very first thing to look at when your SE has any gearchange issues is the oil level - the engine, clutch, & gearbox share oil, so if it gets low, clutch & gearchange issues result even before the level is low enough to worry about!! Did you check & top up the oil? That frequently resolves these sorts of issues. :shocked:

Hopefully yours hasn't gone beyond that point, bobgeorge; I just wonder what the dealer will make of it & how much it'll cost you? (& if they actually do anything besides add oil & clear the codes??) pps:

If he had an older 998 I would agree but the 1330 doesn't seem to consume any oil. I have yet to need to add any oil between oil changes on my 1330.

 

[Peter Aawen]

That may be so Spyderann, but the principle is still the same; the first thing to look for when any semi-automatic that operates in/with oil has any gear changing issues is a low oil level, & in most cases topping that up will resolve those issues! Almost all the rest are usually resolved by an oil change.... pps:

They are actually pretty robust gear-changers now, the technology has been around for quite a while & pretty much proven in (amongst other places) the heavy transport industry - our semi-auto gear changers are not significantly different from the heavy duty jobbies that have now done millions of changes over millions of miles in some of the big trucks you see on the roads, and the vast majority of the very few gear change issues &/or similar code issuesany of them have had over the years have been resolved by topping up the oil..... don't see why ours would be that much different!

 

[SpyderAnn01]

That may be so Spyderann, but the principle is still the same; the first thing to look for when any semi-automatic that operates in/with oil has any gear changing issues is a low oil level, & in most cases topping that up will resolve those issues! pps:

True, if I found mine low on oil I would be really worried.

 

[bobgeorge]

The semi-automatics are the same gearbox as the manuals & pretty much the same clutch, they just have an 'automatic gear shift' grafted onto it instead of the clutch lever & foot gearshift!! In the SE6's it's computer over hydraulic, the SE5's it's computer over centrifugal. So yeah, just as others have said, you certainly DO have a clutch!! :sour:

Be that as it will, the very first thing to look at when any of these SE's has any gearchange issues is the oil level - the engine, clutch, & gearbox all share the oil, so if the oil level gets low, clutch & gearchange issues result even before the level is low enough to worry about damaging anything!! bobgeorge, did you check & top up the oil? That frequently resolves these sorts of issues. :shocked:

Hopefully yours hasn't gone beyond that point, bobgeorge, the codes don't really indicate anything much beyond there being not enough oil to work the clutch, so the computer was scrabbling for reasons that would cause that & looks to have put up anything that might've...... Hope it's not worse, but I just wonder what the dealer will make of it & how much it'll cost you? (& if they actually really need to do anything besides add oil & clear the codes??) pps:

Thanks for the info. I checked the oil after the issue and it looks OK. I only have around 1,200 so I wouldn't think my oil dropped so low so fast.

 

[Larry rt]

Check to see if gear shift linkage is still on.If it is then it is probably internal, covered under warranty.

 

[bobgeorge]

Got the verdict from my dealer...the hydraulic system was the issue. They are going to order the new parts and install by next week. Hopefully only one weekend without the Spyder.

 

[Bob Denman]

Glad to hear that your dealer has this under control. :thumbup:
Good luck; please let us know how this turns out!

 

[billybovine]

They should get you back up and running soon. I would be interested in what specific part of the HCM system failed. Oil pump? Faulty valve? Bad seal causing an internal oil leak?

 

[Bob Denman]

Question: Could this be related to the recent TSB for the 2015 models? :dontknow:

 

[billybovine]

Question: Could this be related to the recent TSB for the 2015 models? :dontknow:

The symptoms don't match.

 

[Bob Denman]

Thanks! :thumbup:
I got all "Befuddled-up", trying to read all of it... pps:

 

[JayBros]

They should get you back up and running soon. I would be interested in what specific part of the HCM system failed. Oil pump? Faulty valve? Bad seal causing an internal oil leak?

A BIG +1! It would be absolutely great if the owner reported the parts replaced as listed on the warranty invoice because it helps all we 1330 ACE engine owners learn everything we can about it.

 

[bobgeorge]

Picked my bike up yesterday. The Hydraulic Control Motor failed. They replaced it and got new oil, o-rings, gasket, and filter.

 

[Bob Denman]

:clap: Glad to hear that you're back, and "Up On Three" again! :thumbup:

 

[wengerda]

Picked my bike up yesterday. The Hydraulic Control Motor failed. They replaced it and got new oil, o-rings, gasket, and filter.

I took Coleman in Woodbridge 10 days to fix, interesting.