Mobil 1 Oil Analysis Report

[Ben Burped]

Question for you

I've got about 2500 on my M1. I may go ahead and test at 5k. Since we are moving more weight than probably anyone else, we'll see how mine shears. I plan on a drain and fill with no filter change.

What is your thinking on changing oil and not changing the filter ? I haven't ever thought of that. I'm an old guy so I started changing my own oil in 1970 and I really haven't ever changed one without the other. I'm not questioning you, I'm just asking what your thinking is to bother to put in clean oil and not start it's life with a clean filter ?

 

[Roadster Renovations]

What is your thinking on changing oil and not changing the filter ? I haven't ever thought of that. I'm an old guy so I started changing my own oil in 1970 and I really haven't ever changed one without the other. I'm not questioning you, I'm just asking what your thinking is to bother to put in clean oil and not start it's life with a clean filter ?

Since BRP has that 9300 mile recommended interval, my thinking is that the filter will easily last that long, even if the oil doesn't. I started doing that several oil changes back and have had no ill effects from the bike. Just a matter of personal preference, I guess. With the lift and the Spyder adaptors it's a breeze either way. What I may do is drain and fill at 5k, run the lab report, then change the filter at 9300 and top off what I lose. The next cycle I may go to 7,000 - 7,500 miles before the next drain and fill.
Obviously, the name of the game is to keep the oil and filter in the bike to the longest effective amount while still being with-in BRP guidelines for warranties sake. I think the M1 will do that. Unlike a screw-on filter, the cartridge filter is able to last longer and filter better while still maintaining the high volume flow demand the bike requires. Seeing a lot of cages going that way on filters, GM and Chrysler for the most part.

 

[JayBros]

The other consideration is calendar time. Our machine does not get parked during the winter, it is used all year. 5000 miles for us will be about each 18 months based on how much we currently ride. Just some ideas and reasons why it may be advisable to work with the lower mileage, 3 years seems like a long time to let oil be inside an engine / gearbox. Especially if any acids or combustion byproducts are suspended in the oil. PK

Big +1!!! Remember, the operator's guide says 9,300 miles OR​ once a year.

 

[MikeT]

The Million $ Question

If you bring Mobil 1 4T to a BRP dealer, will they put it in a Spyder?????????

 

[JayBros]

If you bring Mobil 1 4T to a BRP dealer, will they put it in a Spyder?????????

Haven't tried with my dealer because I like doing my own maintenance as much as possible but from other discussions with them they probably would with no problem. OTOH from what I've read on SL it might be a crap shoot or definite refusal with some dealers. I know of one dealership not too far from me that does nothing but BRP OEM stuff, no third party products at all.

 

[Xyzzy]

You should consider to loosening the filter cap while draining he oil to allow the last bit of oil to drain.

I have changed my oil with the filter removed and without. The time without I did not loosen the filter. In both cases I got 4.5 L of oil out. I put 4.5 L in so I was happy to see that there was no oil consumed. I let the oil drain for maybe 20 minutes each time. I know it sounds weird to measure used oil but I was curious and I have a Ratio-Rite which makes it easy.

 

[Orange Spyder Man]

If you bring Mobil 1 4T to a BRP dealer, will they put it in a Spyder?????????

my local dealer did the 3000 mile check .. I brought them Castrol T4 5W40 full synthetic racing oil & HiFlo oil filter.... they did the work without any fuss..
Castrol T4 has a SL rating... which is approved by BRP
osm

 

[Tango]

If you bring Mobil 1 4T to a BRP dealer, will they put it in a Spyder?????????

I have had my Spyder serviced at 2 different dealers. Both use BRP XPS only. One, my selling dealer said he will put in another 5-40 if I bring it in. Bel-Ray and Shell Rotella T-6 are the only other 5-40's out there.:thumbup: Tom

 

[MikeT]

One, my selling dealer said he will put in another 5-40 if I bring it in. Bel-Ray and Shell Rotella T-6 are the only other 5-40's out there.:thumbup: Tom

IMHO, the XPS 5W-40 weight oil is the OEM recommendation because it "fits" all of BRP powersports equipment. This includes snow mobiles/snow machine (the real reason for the 5W formulation). Plus, it brings in $$$$$$ to BRP. For the temps that Spyders are utilized in, a 10W-40 oil is perfectly fine. I think BRP could balk more @a 15W-50/20W-50 oil.
The take away from this is call around to see where the service department stands.

 

[Xyzzy]

Where did you buy a 5l ratio rite?

Mine is the regular 0.5 L one. I have a bunch of leftover dipping spoons from Olive Garden so I scoop the oil out of my drain pan and put it into the Ratio-Rite. It is a lot of work but now I know what comes out and what goes in. (I won't need to measure it again.)

For example, I have three V8 bottles with 1.5 L of oil in each of them ready for my next oil change. I like smaller bottles like the V8 bottles because they are easier to pour. And, because they are transparent, I can mark 1.5 L on the bottle and never have to measure again!

I like to think that I am lazy, but in a good way. If I can find a (smart) way to make a job easier I try to do that.

Plus, I use my wrenching time to mellow out. Great therapy!

 

[Orange Spyder Man]

I have had my Spyder serviced at 2 different dealers. Both use BRP XPS only. One, my selling dealer said he will put in another 5-40 if I bring it in. Bel-Ray and Shell Rotella T-6 are the only other 5-40's out there.:thumbup: Tom

Tom, Castrol makes a 5W40 full synthetic... with a SL rating

osm

 

[ulflyer]

For those with a 1330 that like to try diff oils, heres an interesting one I came across recently. The Stats are better than those on their motorcycle oil. Remember, lots of bikers run diesel rated oil, but this one, which is for for auto's, both gas and diesel, points out that it is JASO MA rated.
Cheaper than "motorcycle" oil too.

http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produ...ion-10w-40-synthetic-motor-oil/?code=AMOQT-EA

 

[Xyzzy]

Also why do you run 4.5 qts?

With a filter change, and I assume you have a 1330, BRP says pour in 5 and adjust up if needed.

I'm using liters. The service manual calls for 4.5 L or 4.8 QT.



I'm sure 5 QT would be fine. I buy my oil in 2 GAL buckets so I have to measure it anyways.

 

[MikeT]

Tom, Castrol makes a 5W40 full synthetic... with a SL rating

osm

Can get a 6=pack on Amazon for under $50.00. That works out to roughly $6.30/qt. Rotella T6 in the gal. jug is about $5.00/gal @Wally World.

 

[MikeT]

Decided to jump on the WalMart deal on Valvoline 4T 10W-40. $35.00/6pack with FREE shipping.

 

[bluep]

I don't understand all the hassle about oil change intervals. All this testing at $50.00 a test?? I ran Amsoil 10-40 for 10000 mi Oil looked good, just started to darken at that point ,and felt good. Ran the next change for 15600 mi .Had Wix test it. Vis rated out at 12.2 which is high 30s. and normal.
I'm sure Mobil 1 would test close to same. Any good synthetic 10-40 would go 10k no problem. This was with the 1330 ace se6

 

[Roadster Renovations]

I don't understand all the hassle about oil change intervals. All this testing at $50.00 a test?? I ran Amsoil 10-40 for 10000 mi Oil looked good, just started to darken at that point ,and felt good. Ran the next change for 15600 mi .Had Wix test it. Vis rated out at 12.2 which is high 30s. and normal.
I'm sure Mobil 1 would test close to same. Any good synthetic 10-40 would go 10k no problem. This was with the 1330 ace se6

My test kits cost about $20. I have about 6500 miles on the M1 oil and am planning n doing a drain and fill in a few days. I'll send a sample of the M1 oil off to see what it's doing. Planning on a drain and fill this time. As far as testing goes, I consider it cheap insurance.

 

[ulflyer]

I don't understand all the hassle about oil change intervals. All this testing at $50.00 a test?? I ran Amsoil 10-40 for 10000 mi Oil looked good, just started to darken at that point ,and felt good. Ran the next change for 15600 mi .Had Wix test it. Vis rated out at 12.2 which is high 30s. and normal.
I'm sure Mobil 1 would test close to same. Any good synthetic 10-40 would go 10k no problem. This was with the 1330 ace se6

Yours is the first report I've seen with the higher mileage that BRP says is ok. Thanks for the report.

Could you show the whole report? I would be interested to see how the metals, contaminants, and additives fared.

 

[bluep]

Yours is the first report I've seen with the higher mileage that BRP says is ok. Thanks for the report.

Could you show the whole report? I would be interested to see how the metals, contaminants, and additives fared.

I don't know how to copy the whole report,so I'll just spell it out here.
Iron(Fe) 5
Chromium(Cr) <1
Lead(Pb) 2
Copper(Cu) <1
Tin (Sn) 1
Aluminium (Al) 4
Nickel (Ni) <1


Amsoil 10-40 with 15600 mi. in 2014 RTS SE6
Silver(Ag) <1
Titanium (Ti) <!
Vanadium(V) <1

(PPM)
Silicon (Si) 6
Sodium(Na) 19
Potasium(K) <1

Additives PPM
Magnesium 857
Calcium 1311
Barium <1
Phosphorus 1053
Zink 1342
Molybdanum 46
Boron 7

contamiants
water <0.05
coolant no

physical tests
viscosity(cst 100c) 12.2
base number 5.4

 

[bluep]

My test cost $48.00 + shipping! Where do you get it for $20.00??