Bob Denman
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I was HOPING that you'd say that! :clap::bbq:Waiting... :bbq:
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Car rim vs Motorcycle rim
- Thread starter Magdave
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I was HOPING that you'd say that! :clap::bbq:Waiting... :bbq:
IdahoMtnSpyder
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So you are suggesting that Jack's friend, the owner of DT, is feeding him a line? I'll take Jack's word over your supposition, thank you.
:agree: And with the thousands and thousands of successful, real world test miles that have been logged I'm going to stick with auto tires and never look back. I bet there have been just as many miles put on spyders with auto tires as there has been with OEM's, if not more.
Deer Slayer
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Start over, we ain't riding a motorcycle. In fact it may be classified an Autocycle? Question do we have motorcycle type rims on Spyders or auto rims? As of now the mc tag just says motorcycle. We have two things in common with a motorcycle, the wind in your face and you may fall off. 
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Deer Slayer
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Bingo! By jove I think you got it!:shocked:
HillbillySpyderRider
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What about a snowmobile belt would that work? LoL sometimes I just can't help myself
robmorg
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For Once and For All.....
OK, I was at Netzley Tire yesterday to have a new car tire (Yokohama s-Drive) installed on my Spyder. I can assure everyone, as can Ron and Derrick Netzley, that our Spyders have rims with an automobile bead design, and NOT a motorcycle bead design, per the diagram above. While my wheel was off, we took a very close look at it and also compared it to another car rim that was also in the shop. The bead area was exactly the same.
While the Spyder rim has no "drop well" like the automotive rim in the diagram above, the bead area, both width and diameter were the same. It looks nothing like the motorcycle rim shown in the diagram. Especially significant was the diameter of the bead lock area, which on the Spyder rim is the same as an automotive rim, and not nearly as sharp a curve as the motorcycle bead.
FWIW, I had a Yokohama s-Drive installed on my Spyder, and the tire tech said it fit absolutely perfectly - even better than the original OEM Kenda tire, which is a tad too wide for the rim. The s-Drive was about 1/4" narrower than the Kenda (205/55R15 vs. 225/50 for the Kenda).
This was brought up in another thread and I believe it needs it's own thread. When mounting a car tire on a motorcycle rim these are the reasons it is not recommended.
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
I remember that there were diagrams of the differences between the bead on a car rim, and the one on a motorcycle rim...
Does anybody remember who posted those pictures; I lost my computer that had them...pps:
http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/...-rim-tire.html
The Spyder rim does not look like a car rim to me. More like the GW rim above. Look at the huge bead humps just like the motorcycle rim above. Car rims don't have that. There is no dropwell either. Only difference I see is the cut down on the sprocket side to allow for an angled Schrader valve to be used.
OK, I was at Netzley Tire yesterday to have a new car tire (Yokohama s-Drive) installed on my Spyder. I can assure everyone, as can Ron and Derrick Netzley, that our Spyders have rims with an automobile bead design, and NOT a motorcycle bead design, per the diagram above. While my wheel was off, we took a very close look at it and also compared it to another car rim that was also in the shop. The bead area was exactly the same.
While the Spyder rim has no "drop well" like the automotive rim in the diagram above, the bead area, both width and diameter were the same. It looks nothing like the motorcycle rim shown in the diagram. Especially significant was the diameter of the bead lock area, which on the Spyder rim is the same as an automotive rim, and not nearly as sharp a curve as the motorcycle bead.
FWIW, I had a Yokohama s-Drive installed on my Spyder, and the tire tech said it fit absolutely perfectly - even better than the original OEM Kenda tire, which is a tad too wide for the rim. The s-Drive was about 1/4" narrower than the Kenda (205/55R15 vs. 225/50 for the Kenda).
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Bob Denman
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Rob,
Thanks for (hopefully) putting this one to bed! :thumbup:
Thanks for (hopefully) putting this one to bed! :thumbup:
BajaRon
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You're dreaming again Bob. Not a Chance!
Magdave
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OK, I was at Netzley Tire yesterday to have a new car tire (Yokohama s-Drive) installed on my Spyder. I can assure everyone, as can Ron and Derrick Netzley, that our Spyders have rims with an automobile bead design, and NOT a motorcycle bead design, per the diagram above. While my wheel was off, we took a very close look at it and also compared it to another car rim that was also in the shop. The bead area was exactly the same.
While the Spyder rim has no "drop well" like the automotive rim in the diagram above, the bead area, both width and diameter were the same. It looks nothing like the motorcycle rim shown in the diagram. Especially significant was the diameter of the bead lock area, which on the Spyder rim is the same as an automotive rim, and not nearly as sharp a curve as the motorcycle bead.
FWIW, I had a Yokohama s-Drive installed on my Spyder, and the tire tech said it fit absolutely perfectly - even better than the original OEM Kenda tire, which is a tad too wide for the rim. The s-Drive was about 1/4" narrower than the Kenda (205/55R15 vs. 225/50 for the Kenda).
:thumbup: Now we need Steve to come in and tell us why BRP emailed Discount Tire not to sell us Kumho tires :dontknow:. Jack got that info from the owner of DT. I hate companies that lie to customers ( Steve said they did not do it) to make them buy their over priced parts. Anything sent to dealers discouraging them to mount car tires is bogus. Shame on you BRP :lecturef_smilie:
Highwayman2013
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OK, I was at Netzley Tire yesterday to have a new car tire (Yokohama s-Drive) installed on my Spyder. I can assure everyone, as can Ron and Derrick Netzley, that our Spyders have rims with an automobile bead design, and NOT a motorcycle bead design, per the diagram above. While my wheel was off, we took a very close look at it and also compared it to another car rim that was also in the shop. The bead area was exactly the same.
While the Spyder rim has no "drop well" like the automotive rim in the diagram above, the bead area, both width and diameter were the same. It looks nothing like the motorcycle rim shown in the diagram. Especially significant was the diameter of the bead lock area, which on the Spyder rim is the same as an automotive rim, and not nearly as sharp a curve as the motorcycle bead.
FWIW, I had a Yokohama s-Drive installed on my Spyder, and the tire tech said it fit absolutely perfectly - even better than the original OEM Kenda tire, which is a tad too wide for the rim. The s-Drive was about 1/4" narrower than the Kenda (205/55R15 vs. 225/50 for the Kenda).
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Bob Denman
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You actually provided your own answer to this issue... :roflblack:
But BRP can justify this, by reminding everyone that "only motorcycles tires; belong on motorcycles..."
They have to suffer under the watchful eyes of Federal regulators; we don't! :yes::yes::yes:
wyliec
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Bob,
I asked this before, and never got an answer. Why does DT only refuse Kumho sales for spyders? That's not the only line they sell, is it?
Another question, why would BRP only focus on Kumho's, if they really are?
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Bob Denman
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You'd have to ask them; not us... :dontknow:
finless
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:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:
robmorg
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Dave,
It may not be that black & white. There's always the possibility that what was related to Jack from the President of Discount Tire, in casual conversation, may not be exactly what took place. The larger a company is, the more difficult it becomes for the folks at the top to know the details of everything that takes place a few rungs down the ladder. OTOH, Steve may not be aware of every correspondence from BRP. Lots of room for confusion and misunderstanding in something like this. :dontknow:
JerryB
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Hi Bob,
Re: They have to suffer under the watchful eyes of Federal regulators
Can you cite the Fed. Reg. that covers this? If you can, I will be happily corrected.
BRP are the designers; unless it is specifically regulated, they can do what they want.
I design & build parachute systems under the regulations of the FAA; they do not tell me how to design.
There is a lot of stuff that the FAA does tell me, but what components, etc, is not one of them.
Jerry Baumchen
Re: They have to suffer under the watchful eyes of Federal regulators
Can you cite the Fed. Reg. that covers this? If you can, I will be happily corrected.
BRP are the designers; unless it is specifically regulated, they can do what they want.
I design & build parachute systems under the regulations of the FAA; they do not tell me how to design.
There is a lot of stuff that the FAA does tell me, but what components, etc, is not one of them.
Jerry Baumchen
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