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RS rider takes the F3 for a demo ride.

As a former RS owner of over 5 years and current F3 owner I feel that the "review" of the F3 by the OP was lacking and somewhat misleading. Some of what was said was pretty subjective and I get that, but the assertation of performance issues with the F3 that has only 359 miles when compared to a broken in RS is unfair. If the OP were to ride my F3 that has over 1200 miles on it now, and is still not what I consider broken, would have a far different experience. My RS was a very potent performer but cannot hold a candle to my new F3. I find I can power through corners at speeds I would never dreamed of on the RS and it does it with no effort and it is getting better the more I ride. The torque this motor develops is amazing from a wide RPM range and will push you back in the seat pretty much in any gear.

I spent a whole bunch of money on my RS getting the seating and handle bars comfortable. The F3 is designed to be adjustable to a wide range of riders at minimal expense. Does it fit everyone? No but it does fit a lot wider range of people muc easier than the RS did/does. If you doubt this just look as all the after market handle bar and seating options available. My personal preference is the F3 seating position and can ride all day in comfort. I don't understand how riding crotch rocket style could possibly be comfortable let alone for all day riding but hey if it works for somone then great.

As far as the body work goes again that is pretty subjective and I personally like the F3 style and body work better than the RS. There is also something that was not discussed in the review in that the F3 has less plastic and therefore less to fiddle with when you do anything on the machine. With the RS there was a lot of time removing plastic panels to do anything. Even just checking the oil was a fiddely process with that cover and goffey attachment screws to mess with. With the F3 there is just a small panel that pops off and thats it.

Another issue that was completely overlooked was the extras. To put a passenger back rest on the RS was a major pain in the back side that involved stripping all the plastic from the handle bars back, the rear fender liner, seat and battery. Took me hours and hours to do this. The F3 took about 15 seconds to put the back rest on the first time. Same thing if you try and change the handle bars. Plan on spending a lot of time and a good deal of frustration just getting that silly handle bar cover off.

Something else that was not discussed is fuel mileage. The 1330 blows any of the 998's out of the water in this catagory. I ride with some RS and RT folks with the 998 motor and they fill up twice as often. I understand that a 25 mile test ride wouldn't show this so thought in fairness to the F3 I would point it out. Maintenence in general is another area that is a vast imporvement over the RS. Much longer interval's between oil changes and no valve adjustment ever.

My intent is not to run down the RS/RS-S as I owned and enjoyed mine for over 5 years. I did not feel that this was a fair and objective review and lacked some important information. I would encourage anyone in the market for a Spyder to look at all of the models. Determine your needs/wants and see which model fits you best.
 
The birthing riding position (feet foward) just does not cut it when one rides the twisties. Feet forword may be ok for the polker run crowd but not for any aggressive riding.:cheers:
 
If I had rented an F3, I wouldn't own a Spyder

Seated in the birthing position, listening to a droning 3 cylinder, and feeling like I looked like I was trying to hard, filling fans howling like a jet engine..... I just really don't care for them either.

I personally find the lightweight twin to be a character fun filled engine that sounds like a million bucks. Hoping for something more interesting on the next go round.
 
As a former RS owner of over 5 years and current F3 owner I feel that the "review" of the F3 by the OP was lacking and somewhat misleading. Some of what was said was pretty subjective and I get that, but the assertation of performance issues with the F3 that has only 359 miles when compared to a broken in RS is unfair. If the OP were to ride my F3 that has over 1200 miles on it now, and is still not what I consider broken, would have a far different experience. My RS was a very potent performer but cannot hold a candle to my new F3. I find I can power through corners at speeds I would never dreamed of on the RS and it does it with no effort and it is getting better the more I ride. The torque this motor develops is amazing from a wide RPM range and will push you back in the seat pretty much in any gear.

I spent a whole bunch of money on my RS getting the seating and handle bars comfortable. The F3 is designed to be adjustable to a wide range of riders at minimal expense. Does it fit everyone? No but it does fit a lot wider range of people muc easier than the RS did/does. If you doubt this just look as all the after market handle bar and seating options available. My personal preference is the F3 seating position and can ride all day in comfort. I don't understand how riding crotch rocket style could possibly be comfortable let alone for all day riding but hey if it works for somone then great.

As far as the body work goes again that is pretty subjective and I personally like the F3 style and body work better than the RS. There is also something that was not discussed in the review in that the F3 has less plastic and therefore less to fiddle with when you do anything on the machine. With the RS there was a lot of time removing plastic panels to do anything. Even just checking the oil was a fiddely process with that cover and goffey attachment screws to mess with. With the F3 there is just a small panel that pops off and thats it.

Another issue that was completely overlooked was the extras. To put a passenger back rest on the RS was a major pain in the back side that involved stripping all the plastic from the handle bars back, the rear fender liner, seat and battery. Took me hours and hours to do this. The F3 took about 15 seconds to put the back rest on the first time. Same thing if you try and change the handle bars. Plan on spending a lot of time and a good deal of frustration just getting that silly handle bar cover off.

Something else that was not discussed is fuel mileage. The 1330 blows any of the 998's out of the water in this catagory. I ride with some RS and RT folks with the 998 motor and they fill up twice as often. I understand that a 25 mile test ride wouldn't show this so thought in fairness to the F3 I would point it out. Maintenence in general is another area that is a vast imporvement over the RS. Much longer interval's between oil changes and no valve adjustment ever.

My intent is not to run down the RS/RS-S as I owned and enjoyed mine for over 5 years. I did not feel that this was a fair and objective review and lacked some important information. I would encourage anyone in the market for a Spyder to look at all of the models. Determine your needs/wants and see which model fits you best.


I'm not sure I was putting forward an "in depth" review and I really wasn't trying to mislead anyone about anything. I was simply giving my opinion about what I liked and disliked about the F3 vs my RS after a 25 mile demo ride. You have your opinions and I have mine....that's fine with me.

I will say this about your comment "I find I can power through corners at speeds I would never dreamed of on the RS and it does it with no effort and it is getting better the more I ride." I doubt this has very little, if anything to do with the actual performance of the F3 and I suspect this is true for you because you feel more comfortable on the F3 than the RS and therefore will let yourself "push it" more. In effect, because you sit down into the F3 more the sensation of being pushed off the bike by the corner centripetal force is less then it is on the RS. With less centripetal sensation you feel more comfortable and confident and therefore allow yourself to go faster through the corner. In reality I'm sure the RS and the F3 can power through a corner at the same speed before the nanny kicks in if the rider will allow himself/herself to push the bike to that limit.
 
The birthing riding position (feet foward) just does not cut it when one rides the twisties. Feet forword may be ok for the polker run crowd but not for any aggressive riding.:cheers:

Don't know what the roads are like in North Carolina but in Idaho we have far more "twisties" than anything else and speaking from experience with both the RS and F3 the F3 does just fine when riding aggressive.
 
In reality I'm sure the RS and the F3 can power through a corner at the same speed before the nanny kicks in if the rider will allow himself/herself to push the bike to that limit.

Not true, The F3 comes with a more relaxed "nanny" that allows more before it decides you have had enough fun.

Didn't you list that as a positive?
 
I wonder what I was doing then between Colorado Springs and Cripple Creek (twisty mountain road)....being in the birthing position and all that. Granted, I've done the route faster on my FZ1, but that's a 2 wheeler. Maybe I need to take the F3 out to Deckers (even twistier mountain road in Colorado) so all the people who don't own one can tell me I didn't do that either.

Have you ever actually ridden an F3 in twisties? Looks like an RS in your avatar, but perhaps I missed your tales of experience on the F3.

The birthing riding position (feet foward) just does not cut it when one rides the twisties. Feet forword may be ok for the polker run crowd but not for any aggressive riding.:cheers:
 
Power to weight and 0 to 60 times, I believe the RS-S is Tops,:yikes: "RS-S the fast one"

According to BRP the RS-S is listed as 798 pounds dry weight and 100 horsepower. The F3 is 840 dry weight and 115 horse power. I have not seen any real 0 to 60 times so can't comment but will say my RS was quick but my F3 is faster and handles better.
 
Not true, The F3 comes with a more relaxed "nanny" that allows more before it decides you have had enough fun.

Didn't you list that as a positive?

I believe the more relaxed nanny is so you can spin the rear tire (burn it a bit) and break the rear loose a bit (slide it) off the line or turning while starting from a stopped position. Relaxed a lower speeds so you can play a bit. That is a positive. I don't think its relaxed when corning at speed. I could be wrong?

I'm glad you like your F3. I know that I would not. The seating position(s) just don't work for me. I'm hoping the RS sees some upgrades for 2016.
 
According to BRP the RS-S is listed as 798 pounds dry weight and 100 horsepower. The F3 is 840 dry weight and 115 horse power. I have not seen any real 0 to 60 times so can't comment but will say my RS was quick but my F3 is faster and handles better.

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...vs-F3-question&p=964931&viewfull=1#post964931

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...vs-F3-question&p=965037&viewfull=1#post965037

The RS was 106 hp up until (I don't know); I have a 2008.
 
I wonder what I was doing then between Colorado Springs and Cripple Creek (twisty mountain road)....being in the birthing position and all that. Granted, I've done the route faster on my FZ1, but that's a 2 wheeler. Maybe I need to take the F3 out to Deckers (even twistier mountain road in Colorado) so all the people who don't own one can tell me I didn't do that either.

Have you ever actually ridden an F3 in twisties? Looks like an RS in your avatar, but perhaps I missed your tales of experience on the F3.
Sorry Mate, with 58 years of two wheels behind me, I could never get anywhere with my legs out front. We slid the mockup F3 all over the place and could not get comfortable. It is me, lots of spine dammage from two DEER wrecks. I wish you luck with your F3.:cheers:
 
I wouldn't want to ride twisties with forward controls on a 2 wheeler either, but it works for me on the F3. Might be the center of gravity issue...don't know, not a scientist. I like the F3, you like the RS, good thing they make both right?

You should try a rifle for those deer kills, might hurt the shoulder a bit but the back doesn't feel much pain. :2thumbs:



Sorry Mate, with 58 years of two wheels behind me, I could never get anywhere with my legs out front. We slid the mockup F3 all over the place and could not get comfortable. It is me, lots of spine dammage from two DEER wrecks. I wish you luck with your F3.:cheers:
 
I wouldn't want to ride twisties with forward controls on a 2 wheeler either, but it works for me on the F3. Might be the center of gravity issue...don't know, not a scientist. I like the F3, you like the RS, good thing they make both right?

You should try a rifle for those deer kills, might hurt the shoulder a bit but the back doesn't feel much pain. :2thumbs:
Thanks ole man, we had the left shoulder put back together last January. Ride safe see ya on the road.:cheers:
 
Perhaps when they are shipped from the factory the front end is partially removed, wheels fenders, plastic, battery and handlebars for more compact shipping and then reassembled at their point of sale.. Where realignment is omitted!
At one time I assembled and prepared various machines for sale and the front end, is usually removed and packed packed separately. This allows for smaller shipping cases and cheaper shipping.. Careful assembly fluids and a short test to finish!

I also posted this in the F3 forum but thought it would be good here as well.

I dropped my 2012 RS off at the dealer for an oil change and while I was waiting they let me take their F3 demo out for a ride. It was about a 25 mile ride and in that time I think I have a pretty good sense of what the F3 is and isn't. I thought I would share my thoughts here for other RS, RS-S riders who are thinking about an F3.

Pros:
Electronic parking brake......My 2012 RS has a manual parking brake and the electronic one is so much nicer.
Exhaust sound.... The triple makes a nice throaty exhaust note that I really liked
Relaxed Nanny....The relaxed nanny lets you burn the tire a little and even get a little sideways. Nice, should be like that for all Spyders.
Brakes......The brakes were excellent, just excellent

Cons:
Seating position..The seating position on the F3 is all cruiser and almost identical to my Harley. If you like that position its great but personally I don't. I find this position to be uncomfortable for long rides (more than 100 miles). I also find that when the road starts getting rough this seating position puts that rough road jolt right into your butt and lower back. Very uncomfortable. Its one of the reasons I sold my Harley and a VERY BIG reason I would not buy an F3
Bodywork....I haven't heard this mentioned before but when sitting on the F3 it feels to me like there is a whole lot of long, wide bodywork in front of me. The RS does not have this. On the RS is feels just the opposite, like nothing is between you and the road. The F3 just feels like a whole lot of bike between me and the road.

Overall the F3 is a nice bike. The 1330 engine is nice although personally I don't see it as a major (maybe even no) performance improvement over the 998. It sounds nice but I'm not sure its any faster than the 998 and while driving it I had hard time "reading" the engine. "Reading" the engine meaning is the RPM to low, to high, is the power band where I need it to be to pass, etc. It reminded me a lot of the 4-stroke engines BRP is putting in the sleds. There is this on/off quality about it. It did seem to have a bit more pull than the 998 but without lining the 2 up side by side I don't know if its true. The relaxed nanny is super nice. I'm not sure why BRP didn't do this a long time ago. With a smooth road the ride quality is fine but once the road gets a little rough you immediately feel it right in the seat of your pants. The RS rides better over more road conditions I think. I also thought the F3 required much more handlebar movement for turning than the RS does. If your a "cruiser" bike type of rider I think the F3 is what your looking for in a Spyder. It you are more of a sport bike, straight bike, cross over bike, dual sport type bike rider I don't think you'll be happy with the F3. It was fun to demo the bike but I certainly wouldn't buy one. I'm hoping BRP has something in store for the RS, RS-S in 2016.

A side note. The F3 I demoed had 359 miles on it and the front end without a doubt was not aligned properly. It wandered all over the road. How is it BRP still can't provided a properly aligned bike from the factory. There really is no excuse for this.
 
I've seen one in the crate. The front wheels were off. Didn't see if any other front end parts were off.

Perhaps when they are shipped from the factory the front end is partially removed, wheels fenders, plastic, battery and handlebars for more compact shipping and then reassembled at their point of sale.. Where realignment is omitted!
At one time I assembled and prepared various machines for sale and the front end, is usually removed and packed packed separately. This allows for smaller shipping cases and cheaper shipping.. Careful assembly fluids and a short test to finish!
 
The birthing riding position (feet foward) just does not cut it when one rides the twisties. Feet forword may be ok for the polker run crowd but not for any aggressive riding.:cheers:

I respectfully disagree, I went riding with some friends that I ride with a lot, they are mainly RS and ST riders.
We went for a ride through one of our favourite twistie areas, I was up front on my F3 and there was no-one sitting
on my tail like has happened in the past when riding my RSS or my ST that both had the Fox Shock and Swaybar upgrade.

Have you ridden an F3 through some decent twisties?
 
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