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    That was the antenna.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
    That was the antenna.
    This is what I'm talking about. I don't believe that is the antenna.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHd View Post
    This is what I'm talking about. I don't believe that is the antenna.

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    That round ring thing with the cable looped thru it that's then zip-tied to the module is an after market Ferrite Choke that's been added/installed after the Spyder's left the factory by someone, probably after they'd experienced a few DESS issues, in an effort to try to stop any spurious signals over-riding & swamping the DESS signal between the antenna & the DESS Module; or maybe it was done in an effort to lessen the chances of the antenna itself being swamped by a stronger signal &/or to iron out any possible spikes in the signal..... : Doing this Ferrite Choke thing was one of the earlier BRP suggestions/attempts at fixing the DESS problem, altho it' since been revealed that doing this didn't seem to work too well &/or at all for many tho!!

    It seems the only 'solutions' to the DESS stopping you starting your Spyder randomly that might be available atm are for you to replace the various Modules as & when they fail or as DESS problems become too much of a bother, but be aware that if you do that, you're only ever gonna be replacing the original dud items with exactly the same items that are still very likely going to experience this failure again/eventually; or you can see if you can find someone to Disable the DESS & then never worry about it again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHd View Post
    This is what I get in my service manual. Sorry for the sideways picture.
    That was for 2013 and earlier. The DESS was changed in 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Aawen View Post
    That round ring thing with the cable looped thru it that's then zip-tied to the module is an after market Ferrite Choke that's been added/installed after the Spyder's left the factory by someone, probably after they'd experienced a few DESS issues, in an effort to try to stop any spurious signals over-riding & swamping the DESS signal between the antenna & the DESS Module; or maybe it was done in an effort to lessen the chances of the antenna itself being swamped by a stronger signal &/or to iron out any possible spikes in the signal..... : Doing this Ferrite Choke thing was one of the earlier BRP suggestions/attempts at fixing the DESS problem, altho it' since been revealed that doing this didn't seem to work too well &/or at all for many tho!!

    It seems the only 'solutions' to the DESS stopping you starting your Spyder randomly that might be available atm are for you to replace the various Modules as & when they fail or as DESS problems become too much of a bother, but be aware that if you do that, you're only ever gonna be replacing the original dud items with exactly the same items that are still very likely going to experience this failure again/eventually; or you can see if you can find someone to Disable the DESS & then never worry about it again!
    Thanks for the info. Funny thing is, we bought this Spyder brand new. It had been back to the dealer a few times for some warranty work but none of it was ever for a DESS issue. We just recently had the DESS issue, that's why I changed the module to the latest part number.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder View Post
    That was for 2013 and earlier. The DESS was changed in 2014.
    Makes sense, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHd View Post
    Thanks for the info. Funny thing is, we bought this Spyder brand new. It had been back to the dealer a few times for some warranty work but none of it was ever for a DESS issue. We just recently had the DESS issue, that's why I changed the module to the latest part number.
    Some DESS modules came equipped with Ferrite Chokes to lessen induced interference from electrical concerns into the system.

    Realize that when DESS issues first appeared, the errors were initially scoffed at by dealers and the Mother Ship to the (we have never seen that before). Then as issues became more widespread, owners were told that Key Fobs from other vehicles (cars, trucks) nearby to the Spyder during start was causing the faults. Then overhead powerlines, cell phones, and no doubt Alien UFOs, Heart Pacemakers, you Apple Watch, Cousin Eddies metal plate and more.

    After several variations of different “dash numbers” of the modules, the latest became the “916” which remains today with the 2022 models. However, the actions prescribed by the warranty department ranged from simple module changes, to antenna changes, and even complete replacement of the key switch, antenna, module, keys and reprogramming.

    Ultimately though, and not able to be accomplished by dealers, for best reliability, having the DESS disabled is the best fix. However it does eliminate the anti theft feature of a correctly working DESS.

    The consumer public will never know exactly how widespread DESS failures are. Only a small percentage of Spyder owners are on Spyderlovers. Similar to the failing front sprockets and NHTSA recall, dealers indicate the number of failed sprockets is very few. While the true number may never be known.

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    My 2014 original module had the ferrite on it. The new modules do not have them on the module.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHd View Post
    This is what I get in my service manual. Sorry for the sideways picture.
    GearHd,

    Way back when I had the DESS Module and the Switch (1st ,and 2nd time) replaced.The original keys worked,and they still do work.

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    Is this happening to anybody that also has the little "barcode store reward cards" attached to their keys. I have an Air Ambulance card on my key and was wondering if this causes it intermittently. I worked for an auto dealership and Chrysler stated that it could cause interference with their keys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclelover63 View Post
    Is this happening to anybody that also has the little "barcode store reward cards" attached to their keys. I have an Air Ambulance card on my key and was wondering if this causes it intermittently. I worked for an auto dealership and Chrysler stated that it could cause interference with their keys.
    I know we never have anything on or near our keys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclelover63 View Post
    Is this happening to anybody that also has the little "barcode store reward cards" attached to their keys. I have an Air Ambulance card on my key and was wondering if this causes it intermittently. I worked for an auto dealership and Chrysler stated that it could cause interference with their keys.
    On my spyder keys I do not have any cards or other keys on the key chain.

    I use 1 key to start the bike, and the other key is in my pocket on a key chain. Anything that I have that has a magnetic strip ( on credit cards, or my cell phone I carry put in the trunk). I have a 2014 RTS-SE6, I know I posted the above info at the beginning of this thread. I also posted what the BRP person asked the dealership ( when the dealership opened up a case with BRP).

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    . . . Reflective Decals - Orange
    After market Dashboard + GPS plug-in
    BRP Half Cover
    WRAPMYSPYDER.COM Air Dam Web Decal
    . . . Black Reflective
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    . . . Saddlebag Markers Lights
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