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    Default how to clean out evap canister any vidios

    Hi my 2014 rt-s has been hard starting and not wanting to idol. Is there a vidio that shows were and how to remove and clean the evap canister
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    Default CHARCOAL / EVAP CANNISTER

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    Hi my 2014 rt-s has been hard starting and not wanting to idol. Is there a vidio that shows were and how to remove and clean the evap canister
    thanks kenn
    I've never heard of anybody trying to clean one ...... If it's gotten GAS in there ... the GAS will evaporate , the charcoal can dry and probably function again ...... but it's a TIME thing ..... if removed I think using a hair dryer might speed up the process.... but be careful about melting any plastic ...... good luck ..... Mike

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    Default Little checking

    There are some threads on eliminating the canister altogether if it is the problem. As Mike stated you can try to dry it out a bit faster but have not seen any posts about it. You might also check the vaccum lines to the throttle body and the manifold the body mounts to the engine for cracks...
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    I overfilled my tank and it was hard starting. I've been told that if you overfill it make sure you drive it for a while to get the gas out of there before shutting down. After driving it for a while it has been fine. Mike
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    Just get rid of it. It will always be a headache and a potential fire problem. Cheap, easy and you're done with it forever. This canister does nothing for your Spyder. Now you can fill your fuel tank to your hearts content with never a worry. Filling your tank will give you additional range before needing to fill again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbwitt View Post
    Hi my 2014 rt-s has been hard starting and not wanting to idol. Is there a vidio that shows were and how to remove and clean the evap canister
    thanks kenn
    I dunno kenn, I don't think there's going to to be too much out there about 'cleaning' the evap canister, after-all, it's effectively just an activated charcoal filled container with a couple of vent hoses & a drain attached so it can condense fuel filled fumes to extract the dangerous contaminants & drain any overflow or resulting liquids.

    Worrying about cleaning that is sorta like feeling the need to pull the exhaust off your engine so that you can clean any film of soot off the inside of that....

    Personally, I wouldn't bother with doing either!!

    Have you checked/replaced your vacuum hoses yet? If they are letting air in thru the minute cracks that will form in the OE material over time, & that could well be a large part your starting & idle problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Aawen View Post
    I dunno kenn, I don't think there's going to to be too much out there about 'cleaning' the evap canister, after-all, it's effectively just an activated charcoal filled container with a couple of vent hoses & a drain attached so it can condense fuel filled fumes to extract the dangerous contaminants & drain any overflow or resulting liquids.

    Worrying about cleaning that is sorta like feeling the need to pull the exhaust off your engine so that you can clean any film of soot off the inside of that....

    Personally, I wouldn't bother with doing either!!

    Have you checked/replaced your vacuum hoses yet? If they are letting air in thru the minute cracks that will form in the OE material over time, & that could well be a large part your starting & idle problems.
    The Evap Canister is designed to capture VAPORS ONLY from the fuel tank and route them back into the engine combustion cycle through a Purge Valve system. Most Evap Canisters are located ABOVE the fuel tank so no raw fuel can enter this vent/capture/recycle system. But the Spyder has it located BELOW the fuel tank. If any liquid fuel enters the vent hose going to the Evap Canister it has nowhere else to go but down into the canister which defeats the function of the system and renders it not only useless. But potentially dangerous. Not to mention that you need to be careful never to overfill the fuel tank or fill it and park it shortly thereafter as the fuel will expand as it heats and potentially flood the canister with raw fuel.

    The canister system is not designed to handle raw fuel. You will usually get a gasoline smell most of the time, (especially when stopped after riding as you heat the canister and raw fuel trapped within).

    To ignore a canister with raw fuel in it is not the best way to go. It needs to be replaced or removed.
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    All good advice above, but no one ever seems to mention checking and cleaning/replacing the canister air filter. If the air filter is dirty, clogged, restricted, etc., then the evap system cannot function as designed. This would lead to the canister doing its job collecting vapors, but not being able to be purged of those vapors since a clogged air filter would create a vacuum in the canister. You can't clean the canister, but you can clean or replace the air filter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetfixer View Post
    All good advice above, but no one ever seems to mention checking and cleaning/replacing the canister air filter. If the air filter is dirty, clogged, restricted, etc., then the evap system cannot function as designed. This would lead to the canister doing its job collecting vapors, but not being able to be purged of those vapors since a clogged air filter would create a vacuum in the canister. You can't clean the canister, but you can clean or replace the air filter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BajaRon View Post
    The Evap Canister is designed to capture VAPORS ONLY from the fuel tank and route them back into the engine combustion cycle through a Purge Valve system. Most Evap Canisters are located ABOVE the fuel tank so no raw fuel can enter this vent/capture/recycle system. But the Spyder has it located BELOW the fuel tank. If any liquid fuel enters the vent hose going to the Evap Canister it has nowhere else to go but down into the canister which defeats the function of the system and renders it not only useless. But potentially dangerous. Not to mention that you need to be careful never to overfill the fuel tank or fill it and park it shortly thereafter as the fuel will expand as it heats and potentially flood the canister with raw fuel.

    The canister system is not designed to handle raw fuel. You will usually get a gasoline smell most of the time, (especially when stopped after riding as you heat the canister and raw fuel trapped within).

    To ignore a canister with raw fuel in it is not the best way to go. It needs to be replaced or removed.

    Agreed. To take it further, once the evap cannister becomes saturated with raw fuel it can not be dried out and restored to normal functioning. Like Ron said, it is designed for vapors only not liquids. Liquid fuel destroys the charcoal's ability to return the vapors into the system. It just clogs and becomes worthless, and once that happens it can only be replaced or eliminated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911 View Post
    if removed I think using a hair dryer might speed up the process.... but be careful about melting any plastic ...... good luck ..... Mike
    If your hair dryer makes sparks, if you ever see it again, it will probably be very dry from the fire and explosion.
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    Default My problem too.

    I've been having trouble with this too. Love to fix it. But a simple question, Where can I find the cannister?
    I would assume the air filter is close by. If I remove the cannister do I just plug the hoses with a bolt and
    small clamps?
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    Default HOW TO FIND IT

    Quote Originally Posted by Buckeye Chuck 54 View Post
    I've been having trouble with this too. Love to fix it. But a simple question, Where can I find the cannister?
    I would assume the air filter is close by. If I remove the cannister do I just plug the hoses with a bolt and
    small clamps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckeye Chuck 54 View Post
    I've been having trouble with this too. Love to fix it. But a simple question, Where can I find the cannister?
    I would assume the air filter is close by. If I remove the cannister do I just plug the hoses with a bolt and
    small clamps?
    Thanks
    Chbuck
    There are a number of ways to go with a 'Canister-Ectomy'. One way is as you describe for the PCV (Purge) valve. Leave a stub of hose, insert a bolt of the correct size and length (a bit of silicone gasket sealer doesn't hurt but is probably not necessary) and finish off with a hose clamp.

    But the smaller hose is the vent for your fuel tank and you DO NOT want to block or seal that off. You will need to extend this hose (just get a vacuum hose splice) and add about 2'. I recommend running it along the right frame rail under the seat to about mid-rear fender. Secure it with a few Zip-Ties. I finished mine off with a small, clear lawn mower fuel filter.




    The Fuel Filter at the end of the vent hose not only keeps anything from getting in, but it shows you if you are getting any raw fuel in the vent hose. I fill my Spyder as full as I can get it and I have never had any raw fuel in this filter. I can usually get 1/2 - 1 Gallon of fuel in after the 1st auto-shutoff on the nozzle. That extra fuel has paid off more than once.
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