yosh pipe blew up, NMN help!

[Firefly]

Thanks man hopefully NMN can help me out with what to do with this, I know they helped out someone else on here whose you blew up on them, if they can't well I will have to figure something else out.
Took the yosh off and put the welded TB single back on, which is the first one I had fix. The TB works but it is too loud and people are complaining around town. On the drive over to my buds to switch the pipes parts of the outside of the yosh were breaking off and I was being nice to it because of the noise. So it was changing color but I would think it would hold up better. Lamonster and I sure several others have over 10k on their yosh pipes so I would think that 5k I put on should not have it come appart, and like you said you have a ton of miles on your m109 so yeah I guess I have to get a TB double or a hindle. If I could get something done with this specific yosh that would be great.

You put 5,000 miles on your Spyder in 1 month?

 

[BajaRon]

The Spyder is hard on mufflers. Big pulses and hotter than average exhaust temps. Still, a good muffler will handle that.

Your Yoshimura can does not look like it has suffered exhaust damage. That looks like explosion damage.

When the explosion takes place in the cylinder, the muffler is processing exhaust and it should do that for a very long time.

When the explosion takes place in the muffler then you have a grenade. No muffler is going to stand up to that very long.

My guess (as others have said) is that you've got a grenade issue, not a muffler issue.

Not trying to give you grief, just hoping to help you get on the right track for a permanate fix.

 

[SethO]

quote firefly
You put 5,000 miles on your Spyder in 1 month?




I got it about 5/5/09 so I put it about the 7th of may. When I put it back in the box I found the paperwork from NMN but yeah I had about 5kish on the bike and now I just turned 12k so yeah its between 5-7k for miles on it.

 

[krb1945]

Backfiring may be...

This problem might be caused by too lean a mixture at speed causing the inside of the exhaust system to glow red. Then when you drop the throttle you may be getting a little rock and roll motion giving a rich mixture that is not all getting burned in the cylinder. This rich mixture is hitting the red glowing internal parts of the muffler and exploding the muffler. Way back in ancient times we teens use to lean em out some just so they would backfire some when dropping the throttle.

If you rich your high speed mixture a little high speed you should eliminate this problem of backfiring. You may have to go to the dealer for a little program update. It all depends on what mods you have done to fuel delivery, air intake filter and exhaust. Mixture all depends on the computer and the aforementioned mods. Remember gasoline plays a big position in the cooling of the engine internals system.

 

[krb1945]

Carbon pipe??

I hope no one gets upset about what I have said below... it is all based on science that any high schooler has been taught in science class. Many of us have forgotten what we were taught in school until an event just like this one occurrs. Unlike the G/W bull which is not based on credible science but on lies to make money:lecturef_smilie:... oops... I did not say that... please disregard the previous sentence so I don't have to retype it.

Are some of these mufflers made of Carbon Fiber? If they are it doesn't say much for the adds that state carbon fiber is stronger than steel. Even if you are running the heck out of it. If this muffler is made for off road we all know that it is supposed to be made for tuff running conditions and should not blow up unless you get a blast of gas inside it when it is glowing red. An 8 oz cup of gas in the right conditions is equivelint to 8 sticks of dynamite.

Now one would not think a fuel delivery system on the spyder would flood the pipe with 8 oz or anything near even an 1 oz. Even if you did get an 1 oz in the muffler you would not have that big of a pop because the air to fuel mixture would not be correct for maximum detonation.

There may have been a metal flaw internally at the seam that no one could see that caused the failure. Off road mufflers should not explode unless there is a flaw.:lecturef_smilie:

Under the microscope I would almost bet a new muffler against a stale donut there is a metal or seam flaw. Anyway it should be covered under warranty and if they didn't cover it... well there are many others out there for sale.

Matter of fact I will have a hindle available in a few days because it is jut too loud for my antique hearing system. But first I have to get a quiet one shipped in. My hindle is very low miles. My PE 548 only has 2200 miles on it.

 

[Lamonster]

The Spyder is hard on mufflers. Big pulses and hotter than average exhaust temps. Still, a good muffler will handle that.

Your Yoshimura can does not look like it has suffered exhaust damage. That looks like explosion damage.

When the explosion takes place in the cylinder, the muffler is processing exhaust and it should do that for a very long time.

When the explosion takes place in the muffler then you have a grenade. No muffler is going to stand up to that very long.

My guess (as others have said) is that you've got a grenade issue, not a muffler issue.

Not trying to give you grief, just hoping to help you get on the right track for a permanate fix.

This problem might be caused by too lean a mixture at speed causing the inside of the exhaust system to glow red. Then when you drop the throttle you may be getting a little rock and roll motion giving a rich mixture that is not all getting burned in the cylinder. This rich mixture is hitting the red glowing internal parts of the muffler and exploding the muffler. Way back in ancient times we teens use to lean em out some just so they would backfire some when dropping the throttle.

If you rich your high speed mixture a little high speed you should eliminate this problem of backfiring. You may have to go to the dealer for a little program update. It all depends on what mods you have done to fuel delivery, air intake filter and exhaust. Mixture all depends on the computer and the aforementioned mods. Remember gasoline plays a big position in the cooling of the engine internals system.

:agree: I think you're both right, this is a tuning issue, not a pipe issue.

By the way Seth, I talked to No Magic about this and as it says on your sales slip. No Magic doesn't make the pipe so any warranty issues will have to be directed to the manufacturer not No Magic. You're best off contacting Yoshi directly and file a claim.

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[Firefly]

krb1945 , what pipe is going to be quieter than the Hindle (except for the ugly stock one) ?

 

[krb1945]

For one...

Firefly, I think the GL1800 mufflers are a lot quieter. I just happen to have a set of new chrome ones here in the shop. I'm just waiting for some parts from summit so I can make a set of rear headers to line them up correctly.

Check out this thread on the 1800 site... http://gl1800riders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203924&highlight=muffler+tips

I made these 1800 tips with add'l torque baffle to get rid of the dreaded, ear killing drone that a lot of late model 1800s have... and it did cure the interstate speed droning. I now have a deep base tone without the drone frequency. :thumbup:Tell me what you think.

Also you are correct when saying "that ugly stock one" and the 09 we have also sounds like it is rattling internally. And "she who must be obeyed" does not like it one bit. That's is why I'm working on the above mod. If it sound as good as I think it will... I'm going to mod the 08 PE548 the same way.

 

[BajaRon]

krb1945 , what pipe is going to be quieter than the Hindle (except for the ugly stock one) ?

The Warrior pipe is pretty quiet and really bullet proof. Probably a little louder than the Hindle but a great sound that is in the Hindle volume ballpark.

 

[Lamonster]

:agree:

 

[Firefly]

What I meant was I have not heard any aftermarket pipe that is sold specifically as a Spyder pipe that is as quiet as the Hindle.

 

[DragonSpyder]

Leo Vince with quite core is similar in sound and flow.

 

[krb1945]

I bet...

I bet none of you have held a set of 1800 muffs in the position to see how great they look. That is what I did and then I grabbed a set of them at first opportunity. That chrome looks good on each side.

That thing is gigantic... the one Lamonster has laying above the stock pipe. Did you get that off an Iraqi Scudd missile.

You fellows have a super weekend... I'm on the way to see my grandchildren and will be out of pocket and out of touch for a couple of days.:clap:

Grandpa here can't wait to see them since its been a year and a half.

hyea::yes::thumbup:

 

[Lamonster]

That thing is gigantic... the one Lamonster has laying above the stock pipe. Did you get that off an Iraqi Scudd missile.

 

[SethO]

:agree: I think you're both right, this is a tuning issue, not a pipe issue.

By the way Seth, I talked to No Magic about this and as it says on your sales slip. No Magic doesn't make the pipe so any warranty issues will have to be directed to the manufacturer not No Magic. You're best off contacting Yoshi directly and file a claim.

thanks I was saw that on there but was going to call and ask, I will call yosh.

krb1945 I would be interested in the pipe, send me a PM or call me 218-556-3994.

 

[BajaRon]

That's the one. It actually looks very good on the Spyder. I ran a black one and Lamont ran a chrome one for some time. Great sound (I think better than the Hindle) and not very loud. Maybe a little louder than the Hindle.

As far as I know there are only 2 pipes made specifically for the Spyder. But that's not really a big deal. There are many pipes that will work as well or better than the Hindle depending on what you're looking for.

 

[SethO]

As far as I know there are only 2 pipes made specifically for the Spyder. But that's not really a big deal. There are many pipes that will work as well or better than the Hindle depending on what you're looking for.[/quote]


Yeah about that, I called yosh and played phone tag with a lori who left me a message after I got to work tonight that said they do NOT make a pipe for the spyder and it has no warranty and wanted to see the pics to get replacement parts. I then left her a message about several sites that show the yosh can on the spyder, the yosh can I had was the same exact can that a gsxr600 03 had on it. SO WTF, I am hoping to figure something else out with them but yeah I guess I should had made sure this wasn't some custom job on a NEW pipe I bought.

 

[BajaRon]

As far as I know there are only 2 pipes made specifically for the Spyder. But that's not really a big deal. There are many pipes that will work as well or better than the Hindle depending on what you're looking for.

Yeah about that, I called yosh and played phone tag with a lori who left me a message after I got to work tonight that said they do NOT make a pipe for the spyder and it has no warranty and wanted to see the pics to get replacement parts. I then left her a message about several sites that show the yosh can on the spyder, the yosh can I had was the same exact can that a gsxr600 03 had on it. SO WTF, I am hoping to figure something else out with them but yeah I guess I should had made sure this wasn't some custom job on a NEW pipe I bought.

Not surprised. Yoshimura does not list any pipe application for the Spyder, nor does Toyo list a tire for the Spyder. Audiovox does not list a cruise control for the Spyder and their "Universal" cruise control does not list the Spyder either.

If you call Audiovox, Toyo, or Yoshimura they are going to tell you they do not support their product if used on the Spyder. So I'm not surprised at their response.

I have to say, even if you had run that can on a bike that it was "made" for I highly doubt Yoshimura would cover that damage. They are going to tell you there is something wrong with the bike causing that damage and that it was not a faulty or defective problem with their product.

 

[ataDude]

As far as I know there are only 2 pipes made specifically for the Spyder. But that's not really a big deal. There are many pipes that will work as well or better than the Hindle depending on what you're looking for.

Yeah about that, I called yosh and played phone tag with a lori who left me a message after I got to work tonight that said they do NOT make a pipe for the spyder and it has no warranty and wanted to see the pics to get replacement parts. I then left her a message about several sites that show the yosh can on the spyder, the yosh can I had was the same exact can that a gsxr600 03 had on it. SO WTF, I am hoping to figure something else out with them but yeah I guess I should had made sure this wasn't some custom job on a NEW pipe I bought.

You need SuperTrapps... tunable for HP or torque. I wound up packing mine with stainless steel wool... blew the ceramic to the pipe ends. However, they work without the packing altogether... still have the baffles inside and the end disks.

.

 

[SethO]

Not surprised. Yoshimura does not list any pipe application for the Spyder, nor does Toyo list a tire for the Spyder. Audiovox does not list a cruise control for the Spyder and their "Universal" cruise control does not list the Spyder either.

If you call Audiovox, Toyo, or Yoshimura they are going to tell you they do not support their product if used on the Spyder. So I'm not surprised at their response.

I have to say, even if you had run that can on a bike that it was "made" for I highly doubt Yoshimura would cover that damage. They are going to tell you there is something wrong with the bike causing that damage and that it was not a faulty or defective problem with their product.

Why the hell would they not cover a exhaust that was made for a vehicle? This is totally my fault for not knowing that the brand new exhaust I have seen advertised on the bike I own is not made for that bike. Also I have not damaged this pipe in a crash or in a race, it was being used on the street and 2 drag nights. Again its a risk you take running a bike or vehicle faster than other people but when I have run other bikes hare its your MOVING parts you check on or worry about.F yosh for not backing there product if they don't, I am still waiting for a real conversation and them getting back to me.