wyliec
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Here the standard worker has to answer the question why there is so much month at the end of the money.
I like it. I never real thought of it that way.
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Would you buy a Chinese motorycle?
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I like it. I never real thought of it that way.
SportsterDoc
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Nothing against Chinese people.
Took my wife to Chinese for lunch, yesterday.
But, particularly as a Vietnam vet, do not want to support Chinese government.
No longer buy Metzler or Pirelli tires.
No issue with Taiwan.
No issue with South Korea. The Korean people, as a whole, have remained grateful for help in the fifties when China invaded.
My 2008 Hyundai Santa Fe went 140,000+ miles in 8 years with only a TPS replacement and fuel level sensor replacement.
I had a friend who was a Pearl Harbor survivor and drove a Honda Accord, but the Japanese did not remain our enemies.
Took my wife to Chinese for lunch, yesterday.
But, particularly as a Vietnam vet, do not want to support Chinese government.
No longer buy Metzler or Pirelli tires.
No issue with Taiwan.
No issue with South Korea. The Korean people, as a whole, have remained grateful for help in the fifties when China invaded.
My 2008 Hyundai Santa Fe went 140,000+ miles in 8 years with only a TPS replacement and fuel level sensor replacement.
I had a friend who was a Pearl Harbor survivor and drove a Honda Accord, but the Japanese did not remain our enemies.
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Motorcycledave
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wyliec
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That's not quite true in the strictest sense. But, I have to leave it at that. This thread was originally started with regards to motorcycles.
JohnRuckus
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In germany a long time McDonalds was a cheap "restaurant" nobody wanted to be seen in. Nowadays a hell of a lot of people get over for a dinner. The people getting poorer and they cannot afford the better restaurants all the time. People drive korean cars because they are cheap and affordable. They also drive romanian cars like Dacia. Mostly money makes the show. That a car (or whatever) is driven more often than others doesn't mean that are better in quality than others. If it would be this way then there are much too less Roll's Royce etc on the road. The people drive Kia and Hundai whilst they dream at the same time of sitting in an Audi, BMW and Mercedes. Here the standard worker has to answer the question why there is so much month at the end of the money.
I agree and disagree. People tend to buy what they can afford. A lot of people buy or attempt to buy what they can't afford. However, most people riding motorcycles in Can/US don't buy them as their primary means transportation. It's considered a luxury item, a "toy", a recreation vehicle. In many other countries, specifically Asian countries(China, India, Japan, and everywhere in between), motorcycles are more common modes of primary transportation.
Additionally, in more cases than not, generally speaking, people are rarely content and even if they drive an Audi(which was "trash" back in the day), a BMW(considered by many to be overly engineered), Mercedes, Rolls Royce, etc, they still want more, bigger, newer, shinier, prettier, whatever-er you want to add.
My point in my post is that all companies have to start somewhere. It's hard to and darn near impossible to start at the top as the best. So, it takes time. Quality can be improved and it has been improved exponentially with Kia and Hyundai. Plenty of people drive Tesla EVs, but they aren't considered great quality when it comes to fit and finish.
I don't think the original post had anything to do with price. It was a question about would you buy a Chinese made motorcycle. My response is I buy what I like and can afford.
If someone gave a view of not buying a Chinese motorcycle based on facts as opposed to opinions and personal views, I would be able to say, "Ok. Good point". However, most responses have been personal preferences to which I say "interesting".
Quality isn't necessarily a given based on brand or cost. Folks say they won't buy a Chinese motorcycle, but they'd buy a Chinese made, American stamped iPhone...?
I'm just curious what motivates someone to say NO to China. Is it political, personal preference, stereotypes, lack of knowledge, brand loyalty, fear of getting a lemon, social stance, etc.? I find it hard to group every product made by every company in a country as being a bad product. There are just too many variables to consider. So, saying "never will/would" without context sounds a bit strong of a statement to me and can be very premature when so many products are dependent on Chinese labor, parts, and service.
JohnRuckus
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I check out his youtube videos often. Seems like a pleasant individual.
wyliec
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Great post.
ARtraveler
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Never say never...
This is one statement that can come back and bite you. Been there and done that. :bowdown:
A re-direct is a good suggestion here. Slowly, but surely, the thread is turning political. Don't forget about site rule #2--No political posts.
A game warden once said: "trolling where you are not supposed to, can result in a fine or loss of license." :bowdown:
This is one statement that can come back and bite you. Been there and done that. :bowdown:
A re-direct is a good suggestion here. Slowly, but surely, the thread is turning political. Don't forget about site rule #2--No political posts.
A game warden once said: "trolling where you are not supposed to, can result in a fine or loss of license." :bowdown:
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Built, bought traded, and rode 2 wheeled rides from all over the world for years. The only time I never had a ride was when I belonged to uncle sam, but I had one stashed at home. There isn't anything nowadays that can't be finished off being made unless it has china parts. Spooky now that most of our meds come from there. Bought a lot of bikes but only one Xmas tree from china. I drug it out last week and put it up and it's still going strong. Oh yeah, one light went out on it. Merry Xmas all.
I read all the time that arguments with cars and cell phones. Those examples fails. There are a few things to consider.
1. If european, american or asian cars. No one can choose to get certain parts. One cannot get to the dealer and charge them to use a european alternator instead of a chinese one. Not at a new car. But there is an underlying quality management of that producer securing that those parts are quual to that ones the maker pruduces hisself.
2. At a cell phone one has to take the whole package like the car at the upper example. So this example also don't count.
3. If i would have to choose between a european, american or chinese implant where my life belongs at i would definitly not choose a chinese one.
4. My simple wrist watch is not an asian one. It is european. In detail a swiss one. I checked a hell of watches about the stepcounter. I need that thing to see my ongoing therapy. No chinese one counted correctly.
5. Frequently the german car testers also take looks at chinese cars. Official crashtests show how insufficient those cars are, Chrash systems collapse at quite low speeds. Every car has to pass such tests to be allowed to gent onto the road. A european/american car passes them. Most chinese cars don't. There the bling bling of copying a BMW X7 ends and the safety starts.
The asian firms do one thing really great. Copying. But that it's. China doesn't care about copyright anyway. I.e. Brabus a well known mercedes tuner did let produce their wheels in china. They delivered the tools and also the wanted alloy to china and took back the tools after the production ended. After a shorter time they were confused about the amount of rims on the market. They found out that the chinese copied their tools and produce such wheels illegaly with cheap alloy. The rims did broke more often. I do not want to see my life depended on those parts. I worked a longer time for an american MedTech company. You won't believe what i have seen on exhibitions. That could fill books.
1. If european, american or asian cars. No one can choose to get certain parts. One cannot get to the dealer and charge them to use a european alternator instead of a chinese one. Not at a new car. But there is an underlying quality management of that producer securing that those parts are quual to that ones the maker pruduces hisself.
2. At a cell phone one has to take the whole package like the car at the upper example. So this example also don't count.
3. If i would have to choose between a european, american or chinese implant where my life belongs at i would definitly not choose a chinese one.
4. My simple wrist watch is not an asian one. It is european. In detail a swiss one. I checked a hell of watches about the stepcounter. I need that thing to see my ongoing therapy. No chinese one counted correctly.
5. Frequently the german car testers also take looks at chinese cars. Official crashtests show how insufficient those cars are, Chrash systems collapse at quite low speeds. Every car has to pass such tests to be allowed to gent onto the road. A european/american car passes them. Most chinese cars don't. There the bling bling of copying a BMW X7 ends and the safety starts.
The asian firms do one thing really great. Copying. But that it's. China doesn't care about copyright anyway. I.e. Brabus a well known mercedes tuner did let produce their wheels in china. They delivered the tools and also the wanted alloy to china and took back the tools after the production ended. After a shorter time they were confused about the amount of rims on the market. They found out that the chinese copied their tools and produce such wheels illegaly with cheap alloy. The rims did broke more often. I do not want to see my life depended on those parts. I worked a longer time for an american MedTech company. You won't believe what i have seen on exhibitions. That could fill books.
Cobwebs
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Charley Bennellison
Fast forward a few years and add a few more models and countries to the lineup. It's not would it's when.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=ce936211a6fc93a9JmltdHM9MTY3MTQ5NDQwMCZpZ3VpZD0wZTIwYjhmZC0yNGRjLTZlZGMtMzE0MC1hYTg4MjUzNjZmZTMmaW5zaWQ9NTIwMw&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=0e20b8fd-24dc-6edc-3140-aa8825366fe3&psq=chinese+harley&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmlrZXNyZXB1YmxpYy5jb20vZmVhdHVyZWQvY2hpbmVzZS1tYWRlLWhhcmxleS1kYXZpZHNvbi14MzUwLWFuZC14NTAwLXNob3duLWluLW5ldy10eXBlLWFwcHJvdmFsLWRvY3VtZW50cy8&ntb=1
Fast forward a few years and add a few more models and countries to the lineup. It's not would it's when.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=ce936211a6fc93a9JmltdHM9MTY3MTQ5NDQwMCZpZ3VpZD0wZTIwYjhmZC0yNGRjLTZlZGMtMzE0MC1hYTg4MjUzNjZmZTMmaW5zaWQ9NTIwMw&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=0e20b8fd-24dc-6edc-3140-aa8825366fe3&psq=chinese+harley&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmlrZXNyZXB1YmxpYy5jb20vZmVhdHVyZWQvY2hpbmVzZS1tYWRlLWhhcmxleS1kYXZpZHNvbi14MzUwLWFuZC14NTAwLXNob3duLWluLW5ldy10eXBlLWFwcHJvdmFsLWRvY3VtZW50cy8&ntb=1
yes they will have chinese parts on them but they have much better quality control than the all chinese bikes
There was a 3 wheel motorcycle made in china about 12 years ago called Icebear. The owners stated on their site that the bike needed to be maintained religiously at the required intervals otherwise you would have problems with the bike. warranty work had to be done by the owner from parts sent by the originating company. Even if you used the recommended interval it was recommended you keep certain spare parts on hand. Buy chinese no way if I can help it
That sounds like in the 3D Printer Industry. If one has an Issue with the Printer they send spare parts and a link to a Video that shows how to repair it. I ordered a well defined 3D Printer via EBay. The deliverer did send me an other model of the same Marque. I complained. They gave me an 10% Discount on the selling price and pleased me not to send back. It's like you order a CanAm Spyder and get delivered a F3 or whatever.
BertRemington
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Yes I would
vito1943
If the Chinese kept BRP's quality and I was buying a new Spyder, Yes I would without hesitation.
As I've said before, BRP's Spyder-series is a well-engineered, well-fabricated, well-priced blend of tailored off-the-shelf components (engine, electronics) and custom components (chassis, bodywork).
China's Geely rescued high-tech Volvo (https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidk...headwinds-from-trump-tariffs/?sh=2380fe1560bc) and the partnership has been a market success, reliability and otherwise.
vito1943
Seven years ago Rider found CFMoto to be affordable but well made (https://ridermagazine.com/2015/05/18/cfmoto-affordable-but-well-made/). Rider also cited CFMoto's relationship with well-respected KTM. Since then Rider consistently reviewed CFMoto's motorcycles positively.
vito1943
There is wisdom here and as much as I would like to continue the discussion this is not the correct forum.
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I just couldn't resist adding this Made in the USA picture of Latrippe's sprocket:
from his https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums...-s-Logistics&p=1656000&viewfull=1#post1656000 post.
vito1943
If the Chinese kept BRP's quality and I was buying a new Spyder, Yes I would without hesitation.
As I've said before, BRP's Spyder-series is a well-engineered, well-fabricated, well-priced blend of tailored off-the-shelf components (engine, electronics) and custom components (chassis, bodywork).
China's Geely rescued high-tech Volvo (https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidk...headwinds-from-trump-tariffs/?sh=2380fe1560bc) and the partnership has been a market success, reliability and otherwise.
vito1943
Seven years ago Rider found CFMoto to be affordable but well made (https://ridermagazine.com/2015/05/18/cfmoto-affordable-but-well-made/). Rider also cited CFMoto's relationship with well-respected KTM. Since then Rider consistently reviewed CFMoto's motorcycles positively.
vito1943
There is wisdom here and as much as I would like to continue the discussion this is not the correct forum.
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I just couldn't resist adding this Made in the USA picture of Latrippe's sprocket:
from his https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums...-s-Logistics&p=1656000&viewfull=1#post1656000 post.
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Gwolf
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Hondas and Yamahas are Japanese. The question was about buying a Chinese motorcycle.
There is a difference.
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Right on. Personally, I would not buy anything Chinese at this point, if I had a choice. And, with powersports, there are plenty of choices.
Motorcycledave
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You already are doing that along with your car, truck, stove, refrigerator, microwave oven,
computer, phone, tires, wheels, TV, and a thousand other things.....
computer, phone, tires, wheels, TV, and a thousand other things.....
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