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Would you buy a Chinese motorycle?
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EdMat
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There are more CFMOTO dealers close to me than Can-Am dealers. The few folks that I have talked with that have their 4 wheelers seem OK with them. Not saying I would buy one, but I bet getting warranty work out of them would not be as hard as getting it out on my local stealer.
cravenfun
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Nope, and not even a free one.
Tons of experience in my previous life with Chinese built appliances like LG (lucky goldstar), Samsung (mfg. in china) and GE. GE appliances belong to Haier now which is China not German.
That said safety is not a concern in China, minimal construction to get it out the door. They just stamp bogus certifications on stuff and let it go. Stuff is built to make it out of initial warranty and then its disposable.
You don't see any Chinese built Buicks tooling around the US, they will not meet our safety standards.
If something fails at 75 MPH who is gonna be responsible? A shadow importer?
Tons of experience in my previous life with Chinese built appliances like LG (lucky goldstar), Samsung (mfg. in china) and GE. GE appliances belong to Haier now which is China not German.
That said safety is not a concern in China, minimal construction to get it out the door. They just stamp bogus certifications on stuff and let it go. Stuff is built to make it out of initial warranty and then its disposable.
You don't see any Chinese built Buicks tooling around the US, they will not meet our safety standards.
If something fails at 75 MPH who is gonna be responsible? A shadow importer?
JohnRuckus
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opcorn:Samsung is built in South Korea.
IdahoMtnSpyder
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Samsung is a Korean company, but has factories throughout Europe and East Asia. Many of its products, including washing machines, are made in China.
cravenfun
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Bingo. Corp offices in Korea, plants in China. 46 yrs. as an on-site tech working on that junk since its inception BTW
CloverHillCrawler
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So is Visio now , it was US owned and had great products but once they were sold to S. K. they went downhill fast.
I bought a 60" lcd tv in 2013, the backlight burned out in 2016 and was considered irreparable at that time by the manufacturer.
Just do a search for Visio black screen of death on google. You will have plenty to read from.
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IdahoMtnSpyder
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If the backlight is an integral part of the LCD screen as received from the screen supplier, I can see where that can be the case. The last I read somewhere ALL LCD screens are manufactured by two or three companies in Asia. The TV manufacturer may have little or no control over the quality of the screens they use.
As TV-Screens are also LCD/LED Screens this statement is not that correct. two taiwanese firms holds 58% of the full UHD Market. after that the two brands LG and Samsung holds again 25%. Chinese Firms are following after this big four. Fyi: OLED is a technic invented by Eastman Kodak. Also inside switzerland and germany there are a couple of specialized Panel producers.
BTT: I would not buy a chinese bicycle as i don't want to own a copy. Asian firms are quite well known for copying products. They copy real good. But it is not and will never be the original.
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FrogmanDave
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Man has this thread gone off topic!
JohnRuckus
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Yeah. Vito still hasn't responded to my questions. I think we all got trolled lol
IdahoMtnSpyder
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I don't think I would buy one. Based on my observations through the years native Chinese companies are very much "one and done" suppliers. Make a product for a year, or whatever, or bring out a specific model, or whatever, and manufacture it for a time. Then boom, when production is finished, the product is finished, never to see the light of day again. One way to make things cheap is make a bunch, sell them, and don't bother with followup parts, etc. I'd be afraid I'd end with a irreparable boat anchor if anything were to break or wear out since they wouldn't continue making parts.
At least with western world brands Chinese components are made to order so the manufacturer can order additional repair parts. They're not dependent on Chinese initiative to keep parts coming.
At least with western world brands Chinese components are made to order so the manufacturer can order additional repair parts. They're not dependent on Chinese initiative to keep parts coming.
Yabbadabbadoo
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I agree with the above post. There doesn't seem to be a Chinese brand that I can think of that has a long standing presence with quality product and service and parts support after the sale. I would only buy if the company has been around with a good reputation for at least 10 years.
Have any of you looked at CFMOTO lately?? Rather than being a 'one and done' supplier, I reckon they've been around Oz for pretty close to 10 years now... :dontknow:
And they do make/sell/support some surprisingly good products; when it comes to motorcycles, there's been a fleet of their Adventure bikes on the roads & tracks as rentals up North here for some years now & they're still working in some of the toughest country Oz has to offer, right across the Top End & Cape York! Their latest 800MT Touring seems to be giving the big name/big dollar Touring bikes a run for their money too! :shocked:
Dunno if this link'll work for you, but it's worth a shot:
https://www.cfmoto.com.au/model/800mt-touring-limited-edition
If you can get the site up, check out their News pages for info on the Adventure Bike Fleet in the Top End. :thumbup:
So at least from here, it seems that they CAN get it together to produce a pretty reasonable product when they want tto?!? :dontknow:
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IdahoMtnSpyder
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One big difference I see between the US site and the Ozzie site is a parts link. Oz has it, US does not.
JohnRuckus
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LOL
I wonder what everyone's thoughts were about a Canadian company getting back into motorcycles by offering a 3 wheeler in a 2 wheeler dominated industry. Everyone starts somewhere. I remember when Kia and Hyundai hit North America. Nobody wanted to buy those things. They were practically giving them away. Then, they added the unheard of 10yr 100K warranty. Now, they're a leader in automobile brands in N. America.
I wonder what everyone's thoughts were about a Canadian company getting back into motorcycles by offering a 3 wheeler in a 2 wheeler dominated industry. Everyone starts somewhere. I remember when Kia and Hyundai hit North America. Nobody wanted to buy those things. They were practically giving them away. Then, they added the unheard of 10yr 100K warranty. Now, they're a leader in automobile brands in N. America.
pegasus1300
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You all have short memories. Remember late 50's early 60's. England ruled the motorcycle world, BSA was the world's largest motorcycle manufacturer. Then Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Bridgestone, Kawasaki, Hodaka were out beating the bushes for anyone who would take them on. You could rent their little mopeds, step throughs, trail bikes etc. at garages, gas station and corner stores everywhere. You could buy them dirt cheap, they were cute, fun to ride and easy to operate. Then came the 125s, and then the 250s and 300s and 450s and then true large innovative big displacement road bikes and all of a sudden BSA, Norton, Harley were all in trouble. Trouble to the extent that England went away as a major player, or a player of any kind in the motorcycle world. But we bought them in droves. Harley almost went under, BMW was on the verge of bankruptcy Ducati and Moto Guzzi were close to disappearing. In the meantime, we were buying up those "Jap" bikes like there was no tomorrow. Oh parts were hard to get, so many models, all different parts and so far away, it was hard for anybody to keep anything in stock. Over the life of the Bridgestone 175cc it had 3 different sets of points and you had to bring your old ones with you to get the right ones, or the mechanic had to hope the dealer had the right ones in stock. Other manufactures weren't any better. But we bought them in droves, and still do. I see the same thing happening all over again with the Chinese. The quality will improve, the parts supply will improve, and they will become more in tune with what consumers in the countries their big markets are, want. Most of the members here are at the end of their motorcycle buying days. We took our big chance with the Can Am Spyder. It has paid off for most of us but a few got bit. The same will happen with the Chinese only they will be younger riders, if they can entice them into motorcycles the way we were.
PistonBlown
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My 'as soon as I retire' plan is to buy a Chinese motorbike in Shanghai, ride it to Lisbon Portugal, down to Gibraltar and finally up to Nordcapp in Norway.
Mind you I was hoping to retire at 25, currently the target is 55.
Mind you I was hoping to retire at 25, currently the target is 55.
In germany a long time McDonalds was a cheap "restaurant" nobody wanted to be seen in. Nowadays a hell of a lot of people get over for a dinner. The people getting poorer and they cannot afford the better restaurants all the time. People drive korean cars because they are cheap and affordable. They also drive romanian cars like Dacia. Mostly money makes the show. That a car (or whatever) is driven more often than others doesn't mean that are better in quality than others. If it would be this way then there are much too less Roll's Royce etc on the road. The people drive Kia and Hundai whilst they dream at the same time of sitting in an Audi, BMW and Mercedes. Here the standard worker has to answer the question why there is so much month at the end of the money.
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