Why No Hand Brake?

[bone crusher]

BRP responded to this a loooong time ago...something to do with not being allowed to use a hand brake with ABS or something to that effect...it is a gov't decision, not theirs...

There are aftermarket companies who don't care about regulations as they don't have to...so there you have it...

 

[Tom in NM]

I will have to look that up . . . .

BRP responded to this a loooong time ago...something to do with not being allowed to use a hand brake with ABS or something to that effect...it is a gov't decision, not theirs...

There are aftermarket companies who don't care about regulations as they don't have to...so there you have it...

Bonecrusher, that is strange, do you have more details or links to where that is? My motor cycle has ABS brakes and I know others do to. I am missing something on this.

The ISCI hand brake allows the hand to substitute for the foot. It does not change anything in the braking system. If I needed a hand brake, this would be the one I would get ( it is the only one I know about ).

Tom

 

[Roaddog2]

Bonecrusher, that is strange, do you have more details or links to where that is? My motor cycle has ABS brakes and I know others do to. I am missing something on this.

The ISCI hand brake allows the hand to substitute for the foot. It does not change anything in the braking system. If I needed a hand brake, this would be the one I would get ( it is the only one I know about ).

Tom

:agree:

 

[Saluda]

Ouch! $1250,00 is too much for me.
Again !

You guys want them, God bless. I've never had a better braking system on any bike I've ever owned.

 

[Neez]

The lack of a hand brake for those who truly need this accessory in addition to those expect it to be there is why we (ISCI) have had this for sale for several months. We ship these out almost everyday. There has been lots of postive feedback on this item. If anyone is interested please look at my web page at www.industrialspecialty.com at any time. I will be happy to help in any way possible on this or any other Spyder item that we offer.

ISCI Billy
:spyder2:

Billy, your product looks great, and given the engineering and limited market, the price seems fair. With replacement knees, I would love to be able use my highway pegs more, without worrying about reaction time. The only thing bothering me is this: in the event af an accident, am I going to be accused of "tampering" with a proven braking system? I realise that your system is completely independant and will not prevent the stock brake from working, still legal minds being what they are......... Any comments?

 

[bone crusher]

Bonecrusher, that is strange, do you have more details or links to where that is? My motor cycle has ABS brakes and I know others do to. I am missing something on this.

The ISCI hand brake allows the hand to substitute for the foot. It does not change anything in the braking system. If I needed a hand brake, this would be the one I would get ( it is the only one I know about ).

Tom

There is another thread on this board from probably about 6 months ago that covered this topic...I just can't remember the specifics...but, the specifics were in there...someone had breached this topic with BRP and they had a valid response...

I have no idea how to find it but I'm sure someone here can...it's here somewhere!

 

[spyryder]

There is another thread on this board from probably about 6 months ago that covered this topic...I just can't remember the specifics...but, the specifics were in there...someone had breached this topic with BRP and they had a valid response...

I have no idea how to find it but I'm sure someone here can...it's here somewhere!

I think I found it!

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=93692&postcount=63

 

[Tom in NM]

a matter of interpretation

I think I found it!

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=93692&postcount=63

Thanks Spyryder.

April 24, 2009, Spyder announcements
QUESTION OF THE WEEK - 4/24

Question: Does BRP support brake alterations to the Can-Am Spyder roadster?
Answer: BRP cannot recommend any alterations to the brake system. The Can-Am Spyder roadster meets all FMVSS requirements and its ABS system has been engineered in conjunction with Bosch. BRP will not endorse any modification to the braking system.
​

This is my take. BRP is saying 'do NOT screw around with the braking system!' The ISCI hand brake does not alter the brake system at all. It operates it. It does not mess with the electronics, any of the Bosh components, none of the cabling, none of the settings, none of the adjustments. It does not relocate any existing part of the braking system - it does not compromise the braking system. The key phrase is BRAKING SYSTEM.

If you think this is not true, your next question to BRP should be; "What kind of footwear do you require as part of the braking system?" Footwear is at the same level of "modification" as the ISCI brake. Actually, I see some of our sponsors sell upgraded brake pedals - these are actually a part of the brake system. People are modding their brake calipers and pads - these are part of the brake system.

Given their statement, the only hand brake BRP will ever "endorse" is one they bring to market. Can you blame them? Well, we do know there are people who will, but realistically I cannot. Can you install your own brake system? I think the answer is yes. But, you are taking your life into your hands.

Tom
(by the way, I have nothing to do with ISCI, I don't even have one of their products)

 

[rnet]

Ouch! $1250,00 is too much for me.
Again !

You guys want them, God bless. I've never had a better braking system on any bike I've ever owned.

The braking system is the best, but sometimes the operator is not. To me this is kind a like 5$ helmet for a 5$ head. I have spent the $1250.

 

[Pete Denzer]

Handbrake improves braking

The brakes on my own '09 SE5 are somewhat underwhelming, as I have stated in other posts. Braking was improved after bleeding brake system, further improved by roughing up front pads, which were somewhat glazed. Part of the problem is the amount of pressure needed on the foot brake itself to get results. The addition of the ISCI handbrake solves this problem as it pushes the foot brake lever down further than I can standing on it with all my 160 pounds. Braking distances from 60 mph on my secret test course was reduced from 185 feet to 140 feet by simply using the handbrake lever in conjunction with the foot brake. Still, 140 feet is not anything to write home about. Most modern two-wheelers can stop in far less than 140 feet, some have broken into double-digit distances. There are those on this board who say there is something wrong with my brakes, that theirs work better than any two-wheeler they have ridden. Ladies and gentlemen, compared with any street bike I have owned since the late 70's, the Spyder's brakes are substandard. The handbrake makes up for this, it's worth every cent. This is an unsolicited comment.

 

[ISCI Billy]

ISCI Hand Brake

Billy, your product looks great, and given the engineering and limited market, the price seems fair. With replacement knees, I would love to be able use my highway pegs more, without worrying about reaction time. The only thing bothering me is this: in the event af an accident, am I going to be accused of "tampering" with a proven braking system? I realise that your system is completely independant and will not prevent the stock brake from working, still legal minds being what they are......... Any comments?

We do have a disclaimer that must be signed and returned with each hand brake order. Mostly because the brake must be properly installed by a qualified person. Being located in Alabama (Can't even buy a Spyder in Montgomery) we only do a few installs here at our facility. If your brake systems were to fail I can't see what it would have to do with our product.

ISCI Billy
:spyder2:

 

[Saluda]

Pete,
I haven't said it before but it sure seems you've got other issues with your brakes (I know I haven't seen or ridden the bike).
It's your money but I can't believe that kind of expediture regardless of any helmet comparisons.
Are you referring to a panic stop and being used to having a front brake being seperate as on a conventional 2 wheel bike ?
(For what it's worth I've been riding since the '60 s)

 

[ISCI Billy]

ISCI

Thanks to everyone who has expressed interest in our products. Let me know if I can be of help in any way.

ISCI Billy
:spyder2:
1-800-838-9421

 

[Lamonster]

I'm guessing I have over 10,000 miles on the ISCI hand brake and it works great. That's the first thing I missed about the RT.

One thing I did notice is if I'm riding a SM I reach for the hand brake, if I'm riding an SE I don't reach for the brake. I guess it's a matter of my brain telling me to grab the front brake when I pull in the clutch.

 

[Star Cruiser]

I disagree. 48 out of 50 states requires a motorcycle endorsement to ride a Spyder anyway. Not having a hand brake is a royal pain when you try to push the Spyder around on a slope. If you are right handed, then you can't reach the freakin brake paddle on the other side when pushing it ..... only resort is to push down on the emergency brake in a pinch.

I think that if the Spyder were classified as an automobile we (in Ontario anyway) would have to wear a seatbelt, and not require a helmet. Just does not make sense to me!