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Why don't dealers have Laser Alignment Equipment?
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FLAlaserman
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The OUTLAW/ROLO Laser System
I have stated this before but I will jump in and add it again…A PRECISE AND ACCURATE OUTLAW/ ROLO LASER ALIGNMENT CANNOT BE DONE AT THE FACTORY and this statement is coming from me the inventor of this patented system.
Questions I ask the rider:
How aggressive do you ride?
How much weight do you carry in the front luggage area?
How much does the driver weigh?
All these variables matter…and the factory will never guess close enough..a Laser Alignment has to be done at a dealer level..It can be a BRP dealer OR an independent dealer…period.
To get a perfect laser alignment you have to cross your t's and dot your I's...close enough only pertains to horseshoes...it doesn't belong in laser alignment
After all ..we all want the same things...good tire wear and "riding in comfort" and to get that you have to CUSTOMIZE the laser alignment to the owner...and that has to be done at the dealer level...
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I have stated this before but I will jump in and add it again…A PRECISE AND ACCURATE OUTLAW/ ROLO LASER ALIGNMENT CANNOT BE DONE AT THE FACTORY and this statement is coming from me the inventor of this patented system.
Questions I ask the rider:
How aggressive do you ride?
How much weight do you carry in the front luggage area?
How much does the driver weigh?
All these variables matter…and the factory will never guess close enough..a Laser Alignment has to be done at a dealer level..It can be a BRP dealer OR an independent dealer…period.
To get a perfect laser alignment you have to cross your t's and dot your I's...close enough only pertains to horseshoes...it doesn't belong in laser alignment
After all ..we all want the same things...good tire wear and "riding in comfort" and to get that you have to CUSTOMIZE the laser alignment to the owner...and that has to be done at the dealer level...
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NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
Yes, the 2014 has the same frame, so the procedure should be the same. Not sure if the strut length will change with the heavier engine and possibly different attitude (angle) when at rest.
No, the Outlaw (Rolo) system does not require removal of either shocks or the front wheels, unlike the factory procedure.
bluestratos
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I have been checking on the new 2013 and now 14's and all that have had a laser alignment right out of the gate have had significant alignment changes required. Alignment is a safety issue and in no way, shape or form should the buyer have to take a new vehicle and pay to have it properly aligned. I am doing researched to find out which government agency would best this be reported to regarding this disregard for public safety.
There will always be a need for realignment overtime and those that have invested the $1500 for the hardware and possibly more for the Buds software will always have a customer base in this regard. But unless BRP or the dealer handles the alignment prior to sale, I feel a regulatory body will have to step in in the interest of public safety.
After 2 years of fighting my bike hunting on the road and several near misses when I unexpectedly veer out of my lane I had my alignment check this fall only to find out it was toed out dramatically. After the alignment it was a new bike so I am not dropping this one. It's not the money, I could care less about the $200 but it is immoral to sell a produce that has such a serious safety flaw.
As you know, some very reputable dealers have invested in the equipment and both do a realignment at the time of sale N/C and offer the service later for a fair fee. Pit Bull Power Sports is one but it would be nice to know the dealers that have invested in the equipment to ensure the safety of their customers. Route 1 Motorsports is also buying a setup.
Since my dealer chargers $95 an hour for labor, I bet they will be charging well over $200 for an alignment so the will recover the cost in short order during regular services. In fact, I will buy the equipment f for them and they pay me back over time if that helps, lol.
I watched the method used to set up mine and this is no rocket science either, basic math and a reference line created by the laser levels. The magnetic base is nifty but the lasers are available over the counter so if the dealer cannot afford to buy the high priced laser alignment set up they could easily make there own.
There will always be a need for realignment overtime and those that have invested the $1500 for the hardware and possibly more for the Buds software will always have a customer base in this regard. But unless BRP or the dealer handles the alignment prior to sale, I feel a regulatory body will have to step in in the interest of public safety.
After 2 years of fighting my bike hunting on the road and several near misses when I unexpectedly veer out of my lane I had my alignment check this fall only to find out it was toed out dramatically. After the alignment it was a new bike so I am not dropping this one. It's not the money, I could care less about the $200 but it is immoral to sell a produce that has such a serious safety flaw.
As you know, some very reputable dealers have invested in the equipment and both do a realignment at the time of sale N/C and offer the service later for a fair fee. Pit Bull Power Sports is one but it would be nice to know the dealers that have invested in the equipment to ensure the safety of their customers. Route 1 Motorsports is also buying a setup.
Since my dealer chargers $95 an hour for labor, I bet they will be charging well over $200 for an alignment so the will recover the cost in short order during regular services. In fact, I will buy the equipment f for them and they pay me back over time if that helps, lol.
I watched the method used to set up mine and this is no rocket science either, basic math and a reference line created by the laser levels. The magnetic base is nifty but the lasers are available over the counter so if the dealer cannot afford to buy the high priced laser alignment set up they could easily make there own.
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Magdave
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If you go to the spydercomfort site and read the imposters link you will see why what you just posted is wrong as far as lasers go. In fact here is a link.
http://www.spydercomfort.com/pirate.htm
ThreeWheels
Active member
I had lot's of handling problems and tire wear problems with my Spyder when I first got it in 2010.
The dealer realigned my front end about three times, each time taking off the front wheels, taking off the frunk, applying straight edges.
As time progressed, BRP came up with more detailed alignment procedures and eventually came up with a tool to help.
Hours of work for each alignment. I must say, GSS Powersports have an excellent mechanic, and BRP stepped up to the plate and covered the costs.
It seemed pretty good to me after that. Handled well, and the tires in the front seemed to wear evenly. Much less twitchy at highway speeds, but it got a little loose at around 80.
Last year rnet (Thank You Ron...........Go SpyderQuest!) aligned it using the laser system. It took, an hour or less.
After all the best work the dealer had done, the front was still a little bit out and Ron made some adjustments.
Now it's rock steady as fast as I can go. I know, that's a paltry 104. Downhill. With the wind behind me.
The point is, had the laser system been available to dealers back then, it would have been quicker and easier for them to do it, and it would have saved BRP all that money.
The dealer realigned my front end about three times, each time taking off the front wheels, taking off the frunk, applying straight edges.
As time progressed, BRP came up with more detailed alignment procedures and eventually came up with a tool to help.
Hours of work for each alignment. I must say, GSS Powersports have an excellent mechanic, and BRP stepped up to the plate and covered the costs.
It seemed pretty good to me after that. Handled well, and the tires in the front seemed to wear evenly. Much less twitchy at highway speeds, but it got a little loose at around 80.
Last year rnet (Thank You Ron...........Go SpyderQuest!) aligned it using the laser system. It took, an hour or less.
After all the best work the dealer had done, the front was still a little bit out and Ron made some adjustments.
Now it's rock steady as fast as I can go. I know, that's a paltry 104. Downhill. With the wind behind me.
The point is, had the laser system been available to dealers back then, it would have been quicker and easier for them to do it, and it would have saved BRP all that money.
jcthorne
Well-known member
Swaybars and end links have nothing to do with bad alignments. This is simply owners wishing a better than stock handling machine using aftermarket parts. Its not an assembly tolerance issue.
stillriding
happy old fart
After all ..we all want the same things...good tire wear and "riding in comfort" and to get that you have to CUSTOMIZE the laser alignment to the owner...and that has to be done at the dealer level...
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So, it would be a good idea for the owner to sit on the Spyder while the procedure is performed?
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Magdave
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If you read it the poster implied that any laser will work( last paragraph). Untrue. Not only that but there is a patent on the Spyder system to prevent any generics as he suggested. I have read some posts offering laser alignments from non standard lasers but...there is only one Rolo/Outlaw patented system. The rest are rippoff imposters.
Magdave
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So, it would be a good idea for the owner to sit on the Spyder while the procedure is performed?[/QUOTE]
Actually they have offsets calculated based on the load without sitting on it. It is one of the questions they ask before doing the alignment.
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SNOOPY
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Actually the have offsets calculated based on the load without sitting on it. It is one of the questions they ask before doing the alignment.[/QUOTE]
What if you're sensitive and don't want to say your weight? :joke:
Magdave
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What if you're sensitive and don't want to say your weight? :joke:[/QUOTE]
Then you won't get the best customized alignment.:yikes:
Magdave
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I assume that is what may cause your problem too many or too much Butts :roflblack:
Spacetrucker
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Our dealer here in Longview ,wa is getting one. The manger paid for it out of his own pocket so our tech , could do is job better and fix the shacks in bike. Thks Pro Caliber of Longview , Wa...best tech in the north west by far.......Pro Caliber, Longview , Wa......
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