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Where is Al Gore
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Lew L
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Ya---- Me too
But we do live under a variable star????
Al Gore caused :::::::::::: Kaos
Bob Denman
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TicketBait
RT-S PE#0412
robmorg
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My speculation is that it was caused by a single ill-fated young dinosaur, who upon sensing familiar ground vibrations, knew that his mother was about to catch him smoking and heedlessly tossed his burning cigarette into some nearby brush in the forest. The rest, as they say, is history.
Lew L
Well-known member
Weather reporting stations and more
Thousand + weather stations around the US and many other world cities were built ( and reported for years) well OUTSIDE the cities---- the cities ( and thus their heat island) have grown up around many, many of these stations. I seen them in the middle of an asphalt ( read black) parking lots.
Ya don't think that( the heat island) would skew the average a bit???? As mentioned before---- what caused the global warming that ended our many ice ages?? Couldn't be mankind cause we weren't herenojoke
Ya don't think the our class M variable star has anything to do with it???
Oh- BTW would anyone like to shovel the 4+ FEET of snow that has fallen around my house in the last 10 days????
I didn't think so--- so I'll just use my carbon spewing snow blowers. Ask the folks in the Midwest about the huge ICE storm that is hitting them right now. Ask the folks in the North east about the epic winter of just a couple of years ago??
The IPCC of the UN have been shown to be a scam. So who are we to believe?? The people who made millions of $ on compact florescent light bulbs??? That's Al Gore BTW.
So glad we have differing opinions here on SpyderLovers. When is the electric RT coming out???? And can it take me and my wife 400+ miles a day???
Kaos
Thousand + weather stations around the US and many other world cities were built ( and reported for years) well OUTSIDE the cities---- the cities ( and thus their heat island) have grown up around many, many of these stations. I seen them in the middle of an asphalt ( read black) parking lots.
Ya don't think that( the heat island) would skew the average a bit???? As mentioned before---- what caused the global warming that ended our many ice ages?? Couldn't be mankind cause we weren't herenojoke
Ya don't think the our class M variable star has anything to do with it???
Oh- BTW would anyone like to shovel the 4+ FEET of snow that has fallen around my house in the last 10 days????
I didn't think so--- so I'll just use my carbon spewing snow blowers. Ask the folks in the Midwest about the huge ICE storm that is hitting them right now. Ask the folks in the North east about the epic winter of just a couple of years ago??
The IPCC of the UN have been shown to be a scam. So who are we to believe?? The people who made millions of $ on compact florescent light bulbs??? That's Al Gore BTW.
So glad we have differing opinions here on SpyderLovers. When is the electric RT coming out???? And can it take me and my wife 400+ miles a day???
Kaos
IdahoMtnSpyder
Active member
I'm guessing that the CO2 levels the past 60 years have been measured directly in the air. The readings from thousands of years ago were taken from ice core samples. Do we know, and with what certainty, how direct readings correlate with the ice readings?
Bob Denman
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nojoke Everybody dies eventually: why worry about what will happen in a thousand years...
...or even a hundred? :dontknow:
...or even a hundred? :dontknow:
Now I'm NOT saying that Climate Change isn't something we are going to have to come to terms with & learn how to live with; but presenting 'snapshots' of evidence like that above can sometimes be extremely misleading, & (definitely not saying this is going on here!!) they can even be selectively chosen to support whichever particular argument an unscrupulous operator may want to push!! You've really got to take a long term view, especially when it comes to matters of planetary weather patterns & the short term peaks & troughs that occur over the millennia of continual changes our Planet & Sun must experience! :shocked:
So I won't bother to add any more graphs or charts to contribute to the confusion, but if you care to delve deeper & have a look for yourselves, you'll discover that right now, & in fact for most of Mankind's so called 'Industrial Age', the planet we live on has been going thru a (fairly short on a geological scale) period of having the LOWEST LEVELS of CO2 that it's ever had!! Back a couple of thousand years or so, CO2 levels were somewhat higher - go back even further & they were even higher again, & not just by a little bit either!! In fact IIRC, for most of the time that Mankind has been active on this planet, CO2 levels in the atmosphere have been significantly HIGHER than they are now & even higher than the highest levels they are expected to reach in the next century, even if we continue contributing to that rise at the current rate!! :shocked:
Yet those significantly higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere are the levels that were present during Mankind's rise to 'intelligence'?!? And arguably, as we look at the peaks & troughs that have occurred over the relatively short time we've been around, the smaller rises & subsequent higher peaks that we've seen along the way were often part of what created the conditions that enabled each of Mankind's 'Great Leaps Forwards' - the lower dips also often coinciding with the fall of whichever current civilisation was ascendant at the time; ie, the last Mini Ice Age, the Dark Ages etc, & the many similar short term downturns that have occurred in the steady rise of Mankind from insignificance to whatever we may be now!!
Sooo, are the current generally LOW levels of CO2 we've been experiencing just heralding the fall of civilisation as we know it (just who did you vote for??); or are the very recent increases we've seen really just the precursor of Mankind's Next Great Leap Forwards?? :dontknow:
Personally, I don't know, (dunno who it was you voted for either?!
) but I'll put some more thought to it later - right now, I'm gonna get the Spyder out & go for a ryde! :thumbup:
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As the ocean currents slow down, as they're doing now, they cause the Arctic to warm up and Antarctica to cool down, thus fueling the notion that Global Warming is bunk. But let's remember, that term is a misnomer. The term Climate Change is not.
Even so, however, the National Snow and Ice Center recently reported that, "For the year 2016, sea ice extent in both polar regions was at levels well below what is typical of the past several decades."
I suspect any closing down of NOAA's data collection stations is either due to budget cuts or that some data has proven to be so consistent that collecting redundant results was no longer warranted.
Poor Al!
He never said that (http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp) ... but the Internet is gonna kill us long before climate change does!
TicketBait
RT-S PE#0412
Please read the next paragraph, so that you and others don't keep speaking untruths, unless you were just trying to be comical:roflblack:
"Let's get the obvious joke out of the way: It wasn't Al Gore who invented the Internet. In fact, Mr. Gore never really claimed to have done so. In a 1999 interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, the then-vice president said that he had taken the initiative in creating the Internet, meaning that as a politician he had supported the computer scientists, programmers and engineers who built the global network through legislation."
Lifted this from science, how stuff works
TicketBait
RT-S PE#0412
Now I'm NOT saying that Climate Change isn't something we are going to have to come to terms with & learn how to live with; but presenting 'snapshots' of evidence like that above can sometimes be extremely misleading, & (definitely not saying this is going on here!!) they can even be selectively chosen to support whichever particular argument an unscrupulous operator may want to push!! You've really got to take a long term view, especially when it comes to matters of planetary weather patterns & the short term peaks & troughs that occur over the millennia of continual changes our Planet & Sun must experience! :shocked:
So I won't bother to add any more graphs or charts to contribute to the confusion, but if you care to delve deeper & have a look for yourselves, you'll discover that right now, & in fact for most of Mankind's so called 'Industrial Age', the planet we live on has been going thru a (fairly short on a geological scale) period of having the LOWEST LEVELS of CO2 that it's ever had!! Back a couple of thousand years or so, CO2 levels were somewhat higher - go back even further & they were even higher again, & not just by a little bit either!! In fact IIRC, for most of the time that Mankind has been active on this planet, CO2 levels in the atmosphere have been significantly HIGHER than they are now & even higher than the highest levels they are expected to reach in the next century, even if we continue contributing to that rise at the current rate!! :shocked:
Yet those significantly higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere are the levels that were present during Mankind's rise to 'intelligence'?!? And arguably, as we look at the peaks & troughs that have occurred over the relatively short time we've been around, the smaller rises & subsequent higher peaks that we've seen along the way were often part of what created the conditions that enabled each of Mankind's 'Great Leaps Forwards' - the lower dips also often coinciding with the fall of whichever current civilisation was ascendant at the time; ie, the last Mini Ice Age, the Dark Ages etc, & the many similar short term downturns that have occurred in the steady rise of Mankind from insignificance to whatever we may be now!!
Sooo, are the current generally LOW levels of CO2 we've been experiencing just heralding the fall of civilisation as we know it (just who did you vote for??); or are the very recent increases we've seen really just the precursor of Mankind's Next Great Leap Forwards?? :dontknow:
Personally, I don't know, (dunno who it was you voted for either?!
hmmmmm, your guessing? and the report I linked to after you read it. And your guessing still, like in a hunch, a really good, no great guess?
Ok so be it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But heck on the outside chance that all 22,670 spyderlover members combined came to the same conclusion as you, just remember the report I referred to was prepared by a team at CALTECH and JPL. That's California Institute of Technology and the Jet Propulsion Laboratory where my father happened to work for. I will still promote their findings rather than others guesses:cheers:
rustynail51
Member
Call it what you like
I'm no expert I just observe like many of you. What I have seen over my 65 years of my life is that things have changed faster in the last fifteen years of my life than in the first fifty. One thing I notice is large pine trees are dying off faster because our winters aren't cold enough to keep the pine beetle in check more beetles less pine trees. I see this every year on property we own and state parks we visit. Since we bought our property we have taken down several large pines that looked healthy when we purchased the place and have died because of the pine beetles. lots of people complained when the incandesant was taken off the shelves and we had to change to floursent and LED I even had a neighbor that went and bought several cases of bulbs because the government was wrong to tell him what light bulb to use he didn't realize that the electricity he saved using the high efficiency bulbs would save him more than it cost him to replace them. Even if you don't believe in climate change look at what you've saved on electric, the amount of dollars you saved driving more efficient cars, heating your house with a furnace that is ninety percent efficient or better. Just think of millions of cubic feet of natural gas that has been save by eliminating the standing pilot on gas appliances and that also saved you money. Anything we can do to improve the efficiency of everything that uses any form of energy cleans up the air that we breath, saves our natural resources and in the long run puts money back into your pocket. I for one like the LED bulbs and until some determines they are deadly to my health or cause me to grow horns or some other myth I am glad I don't have to give big power any more money than I have to. Darn I cut into the profits of the gas company by putting new windows in the house I wasn't thinking of their stock holders they have to eat to. Progress means more jobs. Oh for I do rant to much my wife calls it preaching call it what you will
I'm no expert I just observe like many of you. What I have seen over my 65 years of my life is that things have changed faster in the last fifteen years of my life than in the first fifty. One thing I notice is large pine trees are dying off faster because our winters aren't cold enough to keep the pine beetle in check more beetles less pine trees. I see this every year on property we own and state parks we visit. Since we bought our property we have taken down several large pines that looked healthy when we purchased the place and have died because of the pine beetles. lots of people complained when the incandesant was taken off the shelves and we had to change to floursent and LED I even had a neighbor that went and bought several cases of bulbs because the government was wrong to tell him what light bulb to use he didn't realize that the electricity he saved using the high efficiency bulbs would save him more than it cost him to replace them. Even if you don't believe in climate change look at what you've saved on electric, the amount of dollars you saved driving more efficient cars, heating your house with a furnace that is ninety percent efficient or better. Just think of millions of cubic feet of natural gas that has been save by eliminating the standing pilot on gas appliances and that also saved you money. Anything we can do to improve the efficiency of everything that uses any form of energy cleans up the air that we breath, saves our natural resources and in the long run puts money back into your pocket. I for one like the LED bulbs and until some determines they are deadly to my health or cause me to grow horns or some other myth I am glad I don't have to give big power any more money than I have to. Darn I cut into the profits of the gas company by putting new windows in the house I wasn't thinking of their stock holders they have to eat to. Progress means more jobs. Oh for I do rant to much my wife calls it preaching call it what you will
TicketBait
RT-S PE#0412
So far as we know, everybody dies, however many believe in reincarnation, so for them I suppose what's a 100 years or more, they will keep coming back
If you have children Bob, then wanting to leave the planet you inhabit in as good of a condition or better than when you were born is the plan. That way Bob Denman IV will be able to go back and research about that 3 wheel contraption you use to ride.:riding:
When you tell someone you will keep them in your thoughts and prayers, do you specify a time limit, or is it forever? And what is Forever??
So what if you lived forever Bob, would you throw out the trash?
You used the word worry, don't believe the scientists were worried, just that there is an alternative still available for corrective action towards climate change.:clap:
IdahoMtnSpyder
Active member
The light one sees as they are slipping away from this earthly existence just may be the overhead light in the delivery room as they are being born in a new body!! :roflblack::roflblack:So far as we know, everybody dies, however many believe in reincarnation, so for them I suppose what's a 100 years or more, they will keep coming back
missouriboy
Active member
Within the past year or so I saw and (casually) read a news item about a study by Russian scientists that addressed that thought, that very question.
There is a known "wobble" in Earth's orbit around the Sun; this wobble causes the distance of AU to vary slightly, but not in any time frame commensurate with the Earth year. The Russian study compared the long-term historical variations in global temperatures to our relative distances from the Sun over the same periods of time. Aaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnndddddddddddddd.... guess what?
BINGO!!
But the Russians are currently persona-non-grata in this country, so the report was pooh-poohed by.... guess who? :sour:
OOOOOOOOH, I want to quip about the climate change that's about to happen THERE soooooo badly, but I don't want to be guilty of morphing this scientific discussion into a political one! :roflblack: :roflblack:
So I'll just say that their findings actually sound pretty interesting, but even if the timing coincides, the speed and extent of current changes is hugely greater than any cycle before man"kind".
