What do you think of the 'New for 2025 - Spyder Canyon'?

[Tango]

Bewdy! :yes:

I like the idea of the Canyon, something with a bit higher ground clearance that's a bit more robust that I can take a bit further off the tarmac than I currently take my RT; but most importantly, I want a bike to ride, and I like to look at the road and my surrounds, where I'm going etc while I listen to the bike and what it's doing while I'm riding - the engine, the gear changes, the tires on the road, and maybe the Child Bride... if she's on the back and wants me to go faster! hyea:

I DO NOT want a bike that has a radio or a 10" digital anything with a full suite of needless fripperies that only interfere with that RIDING enjoyment!! So as far as I'm concerned, it's just a shame they didn't do away with all the rest of digital dash & integrated crap and give us something basic, simple, and maybe even analogue; something that does & shows me ONLY what it needs to show me (like a tach, odometer/trip meter, & a speedo); and it's gotta be something that works! :gaah:

Now if they did THAT, then I might buy one! Heck, I might even be prepared to pay (just a little ) more for that! :thumbup:

Peter, I hear you. "KISS" principle. "Keep It Simple Stupid". Less complication, less problems. :thumbup: Tom :spyder:

 

[blacklightning]

they upped the price and took off the radio? :cus: Tom :spyder:

I didn't even think about the radio being gone. I guess that is something that adventure riders aren't into.

 

[Dasmoetorhead]

Good Gawd that thing is ugly.

 

[AstroTom]

Bewdy! :yes:

I like the idea of the Canyon, something with a bit higher ground clearance that's a bit more robust that I can take a bit further off the tarmac than I currently take my RT; but most importantly, I want a bike to ride, and I like to look at the road and my surrounds, where I'm going etc while I listen to the bike and what it's doing while I'm riding - the engine, the gear changes, the tires on the road, and maybe the Child Bride... if she's on the back and wants me to go faster! hyea:

I DO NOT want a bike that has a radio or a 10" digital anything with a full suite of needless fripperies that only interfere with that RIDING enjoyment!! So as far as I'm concerned, it's just a shame they didn't do away with all the rest of digital dash & integrated crap and give us something basic, simple, and maybe even analogue; something that does & shows me ONLY what it needs to show me (like a tach, odometer/trip meter, & a speedo); and it's gotta be something that works! :gaah:

Now if they did THAT, then I might buy one! Heck, I might even be prepared to pay (just a little ) more for that! :thumbup:

You have a great point Peter, and it seems that in the automotive world, there's a more that agree with you. I just read an article today on the subject that states:

"J.D. Power says its 2024 U.S. Tech Experience Index Study suggests buyers of new vehicles are “becoming overwhelmed with technology features that don’t solve a problem, don’t work, are difficult to use, or are just too limited in functionality.”

I like and use some tech in both my car and Spyder, but most of it goes unused. I don't make or take calls while driving, and with the bike, find it simpler to connect direct via bluetooth to my phone if I want to listen to the radio. A lot of tech is just for tech's sake. I believe some of it is downright dangerous. If one needs to navigate menus just to access or change something while moving, this requires way too much attention away from the road. That's the irony of the warning on our bikes.

I remember when digital car radios were becoming popular, and manufacturers were jumping on the button pushing bandwagon, going so far as to having volume controlled by buttons in a cluster, and people complained it was too easy to hit the wrong button when they simply wanted to turn the radio up or down. Same with climate controls. This brought about the return of knobs. Now we're getting waist deep into touchscreens and menus, where you don't even have a physical button to feel for, and each function places the important buttons in a different place. Unfortuately with tech, just because a feature is popular in one application, doesn't mean it's automatically the best in another. I sit at a desk when working with a computer. I'm sitting behind the wheel, or handlebars in this case, to work one in a vehicle. I'm tech savy, and like tech, but if it's too much work, I'll quickly abandon it for something simpler.

Beside bypassing going through the bike for my phone, I also prefer using my dedicated GPS unit over going through the bike to have it mirrored on the dash. My Garmin boots when I turn on the key, and doesn't take up any dash display real estate to use. BRP's technology feels less refined and awkward, than my 2013 Honda CRV.

The other thing rarely mentioned about all this tech, is what happens when it become obsolete or when the manufacturer decides to go with a different software vendor. The GPS in my Honda still works great, but Honda switched GPS vendors and stopped providing map updates for my unit in 2022. It's one thing having to buy a new phone every so many years to keep with with tech development, but a vehicle? Yikes!

 

[Jheck]

Bewdy! :yes:

I like the idea of the Canyon, something with a bit higher ground clearance that's a bit more robust that I can take a bit further off the tarmac than I currently take my RT; but most importantly, I want a bike to ride, and I like to look at the road and my surrounds, where I'm going etc while I listen to the bike and what it's doing while I'm riding - the engine, the gear changes, the tires on the road, and maybe the Child Bride... if she's on the back and wants me to go faster! hyea:

I DO NOT want a bike that has a radio or a 10" digital anything with a full suite of needless fripperies that only interfere with that RIDING enjoyment!! So as far as I'm concerned, it's just a shame they didn't do away with all the rest of digital dash & integrated crap and give us something basic, simple, and maybe even analogue; something that does & shows me ONLY what it needs to show me (like a tach, odometer/trip meter, & a speedo); and it's gotta be something that works! :gaah:

Now if they did THAT, then I might buy one! Heck, I might even be prepared to pay (just a little ) more for that! :thumbup:

I’m with you. They can take off half that electronic crap and go back to analog. I’ve only used the radio on my 2014 RTS once. It’s just noise to me. Than again, I don’t even have a radio in my truck.

 

[broderp]

You have a great point Peter, and it seems that in the automotive world, there's a more that agree with you. I just read an article today on the subject that states:

"J.D. Power says its 2024 U.S. Tech Experience Index Study suggests buyers of new vehicles are “becoming overwhelmed with technology features that don’t solve a problem, don’t work, are difficult to use, or are just too limited in functionality.”

I like and use some tech in both my car and Spyder, but most of it goes unused. I don't make or take calls while driving, and with the bike, find it simpler to connect direct via bluetooth to my phone if I want to listen to the radio. A lot of tech is just for tech's sake. I believe some of it is downright dangerous. If one needs to navigate menus just to access or change something while moving, this requires way too much attention away from the road. That's the irony of the warning on our bikes.

I remember when digital car radios were becoming popular, and manufacturers were jumping on the button pushing bandwagon, going so far as to having volume controlled by buttons in a cluster, and people complained it was too easy to hit the wrong button when they simply wanted to turn the radio up or down. Same with climate controls. This brought about the return of knobs. Now we're getting waist deep into touchscreens and menus, where you don't even have a physical button to feel for, and each function places the important buttons in a different place. Unfortuately with tech, just because a feature is popular in one application, doesn't mean it's automatically the best in another. I sit at a desk when working with a computer. I'm sitting behind the wheel, or handlebars in this case, to work one in a vehicle. I'm tech savy, and like tech, but if it's too much work, I'll quickly abandon it for something simpler.

Beside bypassing going through the bike for my phone, I also prefer using my dedicated GPS unit over going through the bike to have it mirrored on the dash. My Garmin boots when I turn on the key, and doesn't take up any dash display real estate to use. BRP's technology feels less refined and awkward, than my 2013 Honda CRV.

The other thing rarely mentioned about all this tech, is what happens when it become obsolete or when the manufacturer decides to go with a different software vendor. The GPS in my Honda still works great, but Honda switched GPS vendors and stopped providing map updates for my unit in 2022. It's one thing having to buy a new phone every so many years to keep with with tech development, but a vehicle? Yikes!

:agree:

Imagine a Spyder with just a Speedometer, Tachometer, Water temp gauge, Oil pressure gauge, Battery Gauge, Odometer and maybe a few trip meters. I love tech, have an Engineering background but i would prefer at this point "full instrumentation" (digital or analogue) over the connectivity crap and BRP connect. I also don't mind nannies if they are automatic and I have control over them (on/off).

I was sold on the BRP sales pitch on all the connectivity, BRP connect etc. but the CONS very quickly outweighed the PROS and I abandoned them even before I took my fist real ride.


:cheers:

 

[old Timer]

Bewdy! :yes:

I like the idea of the Canyon, something with a bit higher ground clearance that's a bit more robust that I can take a bit further off the tarmac than I currently take my RT; but most importantly, I want a bike to ride, and I like to look at the road and my surrounds, where I'm going etc while I listen to the bike and what it's doing while I'm riding - the engine, the gear changes, the tires on the road, and maybe the Child Bride... if she's on the back and wants me to go faster! hyea:

I DO NOT want a bike that has a radio or a 10" digital anything with a full suite of needless fripperies that only interfere with that RIDING enjoyment!! So as far as I'm concerned, it's just a shame they didn't do away with all the rest of digital dash & integrated crap and give us something basic, simple, and maybe even analogue; something that does & shows me ONLY what it needs to show me (like a tach, odometer/trip meter, & a speedo); and it's gotta be something that works! :gaah:

Now if they did THAT, then I might buy one! Heck, I might even be prepared to pay (just a little ) more for that! :thumbup:

Boy oh Boy Peter, absolutely could not agree more......... My wife just told me that I should have one of the Canyon models in addition to my F3 L............. I think that one of the Canyon models would be the perfect comparison to my just sold BMW R1250GS, a do it all ride that satisfies the necessary requirement to "Stay in the Wind". HMMMM, then I could replace my F3 L with a Ryker, a perfect stable :2thumbs:

 

[racoon]

BRP's technology feels less refined and awkward, than my 2013 Honda CRV.

The other thing rarely mentioned about all this tech, is what happens when it become obsolete or when the manufacturer decides to go with a different software vendor. The GPS in my Honda still works great, but Honda switched GPS vendors and stopped providing map updates for my unit in 2022.

I traded my 2014 Honda CR-V EX in for a 2023 Honda Ridgeline Sport (the lowest model).
I agree with you about Honda dropping map update support for their built-in navigation systems after a few years, which is why I went with a stand alone Garmin GPS.

I used the Garmin with my CR-V, but didn't need it with the Ridgeline, so it's gone.

The Ridgeline Sport has a very nice 8" touchscreen display in the center of the dash, but does not include a built in navigation system.
But it does support Apple CarPlay, so when I plug my iPhone into the front USB port, the screen changes to a navigation display using the iPhone for the connection and data.

While using the CarPlay navigation, the direction prompts come out of the driver's side speaker (near your left foot).


My 2024 Spyder RT Sea to Sky has had the Apple CarPlay download installed, and when my iPhone is plugged into the USB port in the glove box the screen does show a navigation map, with visual directions.
I'm still working on getting the audio directions to play in my helmet headset, which is bluetooth paired to both my Spyder and my iPhone.
I have a theory about why the audio isn't working, which I may be able to test this afternoon.


But first I'm making a trip to my CAN-AM dealer to pickup my Apple CarPlay Compensation "stuff". hyea:



And I'm not concerned about map updates, since the Spyder doesn't include the GPS software or maps.
That all runs through your iPhone, so updates would come from an Apple iOS update to your iPhone.

 

[ARtraveler]

Boy oh Boy Peter, absolutely could not agree more......... My wife just told me that I should have one of the Canyon models in addition to my F3 L............. I think that one of the Canyon models would be the perfect comparison to my just sold BMW R1250GS, a do it all ride that satisfies the necessary requirement to "Stay in the Wind". HMMMM, then I could replace my F3 L with a Ryker, a perfect stable :2thumbs:

I think you have received the permission you wanted. Go for it. hint! Hint! HINT!!

:yes: :yes: :yes:

 

[racoon]

I was at my CAN-AM dealer today, and saw that the same 2023 Spyders and Rykers are on display. No 2024s that I saw.
I didn't see a Canyon, so I asked someone if they had one. I was told they haven't received any Canyons yet.

My dealer has multiple locations, with a central warehouse that CAN-AM delivers too, and then the dealer has a truck that takes items from the warehouse to deliver the inventory to each location.

So I don't know if the company hasn't received any Canyons at their warehouse, or if just that location hasn't received any from their own warehouse.

 

[EdMat]

So I don't know if the company hasn't received any Canyons at their warehouse, or if just that location hasn't received any from their own warehouse.

Pretty sure it will be a while before any of the dealerships get their 25's in stock.

 

[shannonmarie]

I think I'd pass on the Canyon. It's only one wheel drive; has low ground clearance; fenders too close to the tire so mud will cake and bind; a belt drive that will eat sticks and break; and it weighs over 1000 lbs. Pushing that out of a mud puddle will be horrible.

It should have three-wheel drive; more ground clearance; more room under the fenders; and shaft drive all round. The weight should be easier to deal with because of the three-wheel drive.

If I wanted to go street legal and off road, I'd probably go for a Ural motorcycle. They have sidecars with a powered wheel. Plus, they have a reverse. Not super powerful or fast, but they look amazingly fun.

https://www.imz-ural.com/

 

[racoon]

Pretty sure it will be a while before any of the dealerships get their 25's in stock.

I did some poking around on other Can-Am dealer sites in my area.

One has 15 entries for 2025 Can-Am vehicles.

Of course, they're all the side-by-side 4-wheel models and no motorcycles, but still... 2025 Can-Ams!

Six of them do say "Coming Soon", so it appears they have nine 2025's in stock. And yes, all of the listings have VIN numbers, even the coming soon listings.

I used beenverified.com to check a few of the VIN numbers and it correctly identified the year and model.


But, the BRP website has a "preorder" link for the Canyon, so maybe they aren't available yet.

 

[Peter Aawen]

......

But, the BRP website has a "preorder" link for the Canyon, so maybe they aren't available yet.

Hmmm, the word on the street here in Oz is that here in Oz, where they'd probably be a bit of a hit, we won't even get to see them!! :shocked: But the few Dealers I've asked have said "BRP has not made up their mind about bringing them in, so we don't know yet??" Sooo, who knows?? :dontknow:

 

[CrazyCooter]

If money and storage were no object, we would put a Red Rock in the fleet! The wife chases me around on a lot of rougher backroads and the 9/10" travel and additional ground clearance would really come in handy! Light gravel use could be a plus as well?

 

[ARtraveler]

I did some poking around on other Can-Am dealer sites in my area.

One has 15 entries for 2025 Can-Am vehicles.

Of course, they're all the side-by-side 4-wheel models and no motorcycles, but still... 2025 Can-Ams!

Six of them do say "Coming Soon", so it appears they have nine 2025's in stock. And yes, all of the listings have VIN numbers, even the coming soon listings.

I used beenverified.com to check a few of the VIN numbers and it correctly identified the year and model.


But, the BRP website has a "preorder" link for the Canyon, so maybe they aren't available yet.

RE: dealer inventory on internet sites. Most dealers show the full line up on their inventory show up. If they do NOT contain serial #'s for specific units, then it is most likely a show and not the "real" inventory. You know how it goes. "We can get that one for you in a couple days." :roflblack:

I have been saying for a long time now...If you are interested in Spyder X shown at dealer Y, then a call is warranted to see if it is indeed in stock as shown. Just showing up to check out Spyder X can sometimes be very disappointing. :bowdown:

 

[racoon]

RE: dealer inventory on internet sites. Most dealers show the full line up on their inventory show up. If they do NOT contain serial #'s for specific units, then it is most likely a show and not the "real" inventory. You know how it goes. "We can get that one for you in a couple days." :roflblack:

I have been saying for a long time now...If you are interested in Spyder X shown at dealer Y, then a call is warranted to see if it is indeed in stock as shown. Just showing up to check out Spyder X can sometimes be very disappointing. :bowdown:

The VIN numbers were different for each listing, and the couple I checked showed as valid.
So either they have them, or they will have them soon, and CAN-AM has already sent them the details including the VIN.

 

[AstroTom]

Boy oh Boy Peter, absolutely could not agree more......... My wife just told me that I should have one of the Canyon models in addition to my F3 L............. I think that one of the Canyon models would be the perfect comparison to my just sold BMW R1250GS, a do it all ride that satisfies the necessary requirement to "Stay in the Wind". HMMMM, then I could replace my F3 L with a Ryker, a perfect stable :2thumbs:

My wife usually knows if she even hints it might be ok for me to get a new toy, I become like one of those cartoon characters where my legs become a circular blurr, and with arms pumping, I vanish leaving behind a swirl of dust and debris to the sound effect PEW!, on my way to make the purchase.

Ironically, I'd been looking at Spyders, and she's forward links to "nice ones" to my e-mail, or would show me ads on her phone. She pointed out several times that she really liked the one in my sig photo. At some point, she said if I wasn't going to take the hint and suggest we go look, she'd stop looking. She said "I've all but told you to go buy one and you've haven't reacted." That was soooooo out of character for me, and in many ways for her too. I have always had some expensive hobbies and one of her favorite comments was: "You don't need one of those." My smart mouth reply was usually: "Who said anything about need, I WANT one!" Well... I finally got the hint, and here I am with a beautiful RTL in my sig.

 

[old Timer]

Nice Tom. :2thumbs:

 

[canamjhb]

My MC days are behind me so I just watched the vid and read comments out of curiosity. One of the things learned about early on in my Spyder ownership was tires! (Thank you Mike and Peter). Comments about the Canyon having a bigger load capacity make me think the tires MIGHT be upgraded. Usually load capacities are determined by the weakest link which is usually tires. Interesting to find out what the new Canyon is being equipped with. Just my sideline thoughts..... Jim