Went to Mobile 1

[Bob Denman]

Thanks! :thumbup:

 

[Xyzzy]

...I ran a tank out (at least until the low fuel came on) and got right at 200 miles! It held 5.4 gallons when filled up...

I ran low on gas the other day, to the point that the last LCD bar on the gas display disappeared! I almost always wait until the low fuel light kicks on to buy gas. I didn't know there was a further level of emptiness! I put 6.212 gallons in to fill it up.

 

[Ex-Rocket]

I think I'd be buying gas a little sooner in the future. Who knows how far the next gas station is. I have also not bought gas until the low light comes on but I've never put more than 5.5 gallons in the tank. I'm thinking your were cutting it pretty close to running out.:yikes::yikes:

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

NOT MOBIL ....1

Well as usual I prefer to be somewhat different. So at this OIL change ( 4,987 miles and I plan to have it tested Rotella T-6, 5W40 Full Syn )....I am trying Rotella " T " ,a 15W -40 because an unexpected journey came up ( approx. 800 miles total ) and I wasn't going to go past 5 K on the T-6........I only plan to use it for maybe 2000 miles before I put the Spyder to bed for the winter, so I wasn't suoer concerned about longevity......I put in 4 1/2 qts.....and started it up and it really sounded ....smoother (?)......So I hopped on and took it for an easy warm-up ride. Well I'll say this for a straight DINO - OIL I think it was smoother than my full syn T-6.......especially when shifting into reverse and back into drive.....I then checked the " up to TEMP " level and added about 1/4 Qt.........I'll report back after I get home about this OIL ......Mike :thumbup:

 

[Xyzzy]

I think I'd be buying gas a little sooner in the future. Who knows how far the next gas station is. I have also not bought gas until the low light comes on but I've never put more than 5.5 gallons in the tank. I'm thinking your were cutting it pretty close to running out.:yikes::yikes:

I like pushing things. (Not literally!)

My tank amounts (gallons) thus far: 6.212, 5.834, 5.688, 5.747, 1.305, 5.606, 5.879, 5.468, 5.804, 5.170, 4.381, 5.594, 4.601, 3.037 & 4.210.

Some previous adventures on my Valkyrie: http://www.f6cforum.com/forum/8-honda-f6c-general-discussion/6090-how-far.html

 

[Xyzzy]

Well as usual I prefer to be somewhat different. So at this OIL change ( 4,987 miles and I plan to have it tested Rotella T-6, 5W40 Full Syn )....I am trying Rotella " T " ,a 15W -40 because an unexpected journey came up ( approx. 800 miles total ) and I wasn't going to go past 5 K on the T-6........I only plan to use it for maybe 2000 miles before I put the Spyder to bed for the winter, so I wasn't suoer concerned about longevity......I put in 4 1/2 qts.....and started it up and it really sounded ....smoother (?)......So I hopped on and took it for an easy warm-up ride. Well I'll say this for a straight DINO - OIL I think it was smoother than my full syn T-6.......especially when shifting into reverse and back into drive.....I then checked the " up to TEMP " level and added about 1/4 Qt.........I'll report back after I get home about this OIL ......Mike :thumbup:

I measured the oil that came out (no filter change) and 4.5 liters (4.9qt) came out so I put the same amount back in. My dip stick measures a little above the "low" mark. I'll leave it that way since I don't want to overfill it and that is an adequate amount of oil. (IMO a lot of people stress too much trying to get the oil to the "high" mark. There is a 500 cc difference between "low" and "high".)

 

[Roadster Renovations]

Report in.

I won't be going back to this oil. This is two different labs that have come back with the same info and told me the oil is thinner than it should be.

Not good results

 

[trikermutha]

I am guessing mobil 1 is not a winner on the lab test??? :dontknow:

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

OIL ? ? ?

I am guessing mobil 1 is not a winner on the lab test??? :dontknow:

Your guess is as good as mine ........it's some type of 5w40 oil........that's all I can tell !!!!!!!! :dontknow::dontknow::dontknow:......Mike :thumbup:

 

[gypsy_100]

I won't be going back to this oil. This is two different labs that have come back with the same info and told me the oil is thinner than it should be.

Not good results

Is this the BRP full-syn or the blend? 9.2 puts you at the very high end of the 20 range for viscosity -- 5.6 - 9.3.

 

[ulflyer]

I am guessing mobil 1 is not a winner on the lab test??? :dontknow:

Pretty sure the tests Doc had done were on BRP oil, which is 5-40. The wider the spread, the more it shears.

 

[Roadster Renovations]

Pretty sure the tests Doc had done were on BRP oil, which is 5-40. The wider the spread, the more it shears.

Yes, sorry. I assumed everyone read the beginning of the thread where I was talking about switching from brp 5x40 blended to M1. I have now had two independant labs tell me the oil is way thinner than it should be. I know the bike is not overfueling, especially now that the mileage has gotten better with M1. Of the 3 samples I have sent in I have averaged from 9.2 to 8.9. The change mileage has varied from 4k to 5k. Although it does appear that the shear does stabilize around 8.9 - 9.2, I feel that is too low for my liking and I with the consistent lows I am not going to chance running that oil any longer than I have to see if it shears any more.
I am usually not a proponent of synthetic oils, but in the case of the M1 oil and my RT, they seem to be a great combination. I plan on testing the M1 at 5k also to see what it is doing. That probably won't happen this season.

 

[MikeT]

What Would Be The Recomendations For

Those of us who a "stuck" with using the BRP products (new owners & initial service)
A. Blended or Full SYN
B. Change Interval, or Maximum Mileage.
Thanks everyone for all your work to make ourSpyders better
Mike

 

[JayBros]

Doc, my analysis of the BRP blend at 4,371 miles came out at 8.9; shows we're in the same ballpark.

IRT Mike T's question, IMO it's a matter of personal decision. We would be fools to think that BRP had not done very thorough testing of their oil to arrive at the change interval they have set for the 1330 engine. I believe they also recommend the 5W-40 blend for snowmobiles but do not know for sure. In addition to the viscosity shear that Doc and I have experienced we are enjoying the same super smooth shifting with Mobil 1. Shifting at between 3,000-3,500 RPM is virtually seamless. Not two old Marines ganging up on BRP either.

 

[Roadster Renovations]

One thing that bothers me about product testing is that I see very minimal done by the manufacturer in the auto industry and then it is up to the consumer to really put it through the trials in actual day to day operation. I doubt if BRP tested the 1330 triple as extensively as they should have. There just isn't enough R&D budget to do that. Since this engine and transmission combination is new as of last year, I am afraid to say that the burden of final testing will rest upon all of us. I would like to get the greatest possible mileage out of my engine and trans and an oil that shears below what the labs say are good is not the way to go IMHO.

 

[opiewhan]

Pleased with Mobil 1

Wow, I cannot believe the difference! Went from BRP blended to Mobile 1 4T full synthetic and I immediately noticed a difference. The engine runs quieter and you can barely feel it shift. The old oil has 5k on it and will be sent in for analysis. Let's see if the shearing had ceased like the claims....I'll report back!

Just did switch over to Mobil 1 4 stroke 10/40..Engine runs smooth and tranny is very quite..Thinking its also easier to find should you be out in BFE.. price BRP 12.99 qt. Mobil 1 $9.67 qt..:clap:

 

[JayBros]

One thing that bothers me about product testing is that I see very minimal done by the manufacturer in the auto industry and then it is up to the consumer to really put it through the trials in actual day to day operation. I doubt if BRP tested the 1330 triple as extensively as they should have. There just isn't enough R&D budget to do that. Since this engine and transmission combination is new as of last year, I am afraid to say that the burden of final testing will rest upon all of us. I would like to get the greatest possible mileage out of my engine and trans and an oil that shears below what the labs say are good is not the way to go IMHO.

I think comparison of the auto industry to BRP is apples and oranges. The former has millions of units and decades of data and close collaboration with the petroleum industry. In comparison, BRP is a mom and pop operation. BRP however is working with Rotax, a very reputable company, and Rotax itself would have to have done significant testing to verify the oil change interval. IMO Rotax would not sign up for letting BRP claim a change interval that they knew oils wouldn't meet in their engines. Look back in history to Porsche, another low volume company and Mobil 1. They specifically recommended for a couple of years that owners not switch to Mobil 1 until they had one full oil change cycle on dino oil because ot the ring seating issue. They ultimately installed Mobil 1 as the OEM oil. Porsche had far more to risk than Rotax.

Right now I am temporarily between a rock and hard place as our illustrious USPS may have lost my first Mobil 1 sample -- throws my whole analysis plan into the crapper.

 

[MikeT]

Just did switch over to Mobil 1 4 stroke 10/40.:clap:

Is this their Motorcycle Oil???????????

 

[JayBros]

Yes, we're talking about Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 four stroke motorcycle oil.

 

[MikeT]

Just did switch over to Mobil 1 4 stroke 10/40..price Mobil 1 $9.67 qt..:clap:

I was "thrown off" by the low price for the 4T. Who's selling it @that price???? The lowest I've seen it @is $10.99/qt. Maybe regional price differences.