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Warranty Question - Would you let a regular M/cycle shop fit a rear tire?

Bangorbob

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Before anyone blasts me, yes I have used the search and couldn't find the answer(s). It was explained to me by a dealer that they would install a auto tire if I wanted, BUT they would have to report it to BRP. I guess warranty issue.
Now the question. Would you let a regular motorcycle shop install a rear tire?
Thanks, Bob
 
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No. I would have a qualified spyder service department do it. Why? Because it's not a regular motorcycle. My guess is there are more spyders out there running non BRP approved tires than are. JMHO OEM tires are crap.
 
It was explained to me by a dealer that they would install a auto tire if I wanted, BUT they would have to report it to BRP. I guess warranty issue.
So I started to laugh about the dealer statement, but then decided to check my Operators Guide.

There is a warning on Page 17 about the VSS not working properly if...and then lists several things, including changing the tires.

Bottom of Page 64 top of 65:
Tires
The VSS on the vehicle has been calibrated
to perform best with a tire of a
specific size, material and tread pattern.
Replacing your tires with ones
not approved by BRP can cause the
VSS to be less effective.

Use only BRP recommended tires,
which can be ordered only from an authorized
Can-Am On-Road dealer.

Page 183:
For the tires, SIX (6) CONSECUTIVE MONTHS or until tires are worn to
the last three thirty-seconds of an inch (3/32 ") (2.38 millimeters) for the front
tires and the last five thirty-seconds of an inch (5/32 ") (3.97 millimeters) for
the rear tire, which-ever occurs first


And my brain keeps going back to the US Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975.
It's a very long and details legal document, but there are several sections that apply.

The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act clearly stipulates that warranties cannot be voided merely due to the use of aftermarket parts or services. Manufacturers are required to prove that the non-original part or service was the direct cause of the defect to deny warranty claims.

Obviously when you replace the tires, the warranty on the original tires is void. But the manufacture can not void the warranty coverage on other components, unless they can prove that the replacement tires caused the problem. As in prove in a court of law, not just a statement from a service writer.
 
I was surprised to learn the Walmart shops carry the appropriate tire changing tool needed for Spyder wheels and tires. I have used the Walmart near me for front and rear tires with no issues. Note: NOT all tire shops have the required wheel rim holder needed. Just ask the shop if they have the correct machine to for your wheels.
 
Update. Just made an appointment for Tuesday at the dealers. Only got 8015 miles on the tires. Fronts are still good. Thanks for your responses.
 
The guys, and gals, at the Walmart shops, are nice folks. But if you take your spyder to them for any kind of service, you deserve what you get. Over the years and with several vehicles I've experienced overfilled oil, leaking filter (due to not removing old filter gasket) wrong oil, cross threaded drain plug and a failure to replace the removable filter shield. Do I still use Walmart? When I need to, but I watch them like a hawk.
 
I had a regular motorcycle repair place replace my tires because I do not want the Kenda crap tires. I went with car tires and am very happy with them.
 
Since you live in NV, give Joe Meyer of Squared Away, LLC (616) 581-1304 a call and ask his advice.
 
Not sure if it makes a difference but, spoke with my local Can Am dealer who only sells and services their off-road stuff. They will install tires on the Spyder and could care less what type/brand they are.
 
It was explained to me by a dealer that they would install an auto tire if I wanted, BUT they would have to report it to BRP. I guess warranty issue. Now the question. Would you let a regular motorcycle shop install a rear tire?
Thanks, Bob

Just to clarify, Bob, as this clarification is where a good deal of confusion arises -

Are you referring to you removing the rear wheel yourself and taking it into a motorcycle shop for them to simply fit a new aftermarket tyre, or are you referring to you taking the Spyder into a motorcycle shop and having them remove the rear wheel, fitting a new aftermarket tyre and then reinstalling the rear wheel ?

I only ask as all 4 of my local shops (1 motorcycle and 3 car/truck tyre shops) are willing to replace my rear tyre for an aftermarket without issue, but of course won’t remove/replace the wheel from the Spyder. Since I am installing a car tyre on a J type car rim, I always get my local car/truck tyre shop to do it as they have far more experience with the J type rims than a motorcycle shop. ;)

Pete
 
Pete, I would be taking the bike into them and having them remove and replace. I live 62 miles one way from the only dealer in Las Vegas I would let touch my ride.
 
What I would say about this, I will put the tire on, but I am going to have to report it to BRP statement is that they are going to tell on themselves for doing the work. And that could get them a hand spanking. If you can't take your own tire off, then I don't see why I wouldn't let them do it as long as I trusted them to do it RIGHT!
 
Before anyone blasts me, yes I have used the search and couldn't find the answer(s). It was explained to me by a dealer that they would install a auto tire if I wanted, BUT they would have to report it to BRP. I guess warranty issue.
Now the question. Would you let a regular motorcycle shop install a rear tire?
Thanks, Bob

If you are taking the wheel off and just getting a tire installed, then any shop that does this will be fine. However, as you mention in a later post, you intend to take the Spyder in and have the entire process done. In this case, I would highly recommend sticking with someone who has experience with the Spyder and knows what they are doing, as suggested by 2dogs in post #2.

As for the VSS issue. (Post #3 by racoon) I see this as nothing more than CYA to distance BRP from any potential issues while encouraging customers to stay with the OEM tire. I'm sure there have been millions of miles traveled by thousands of Spyders with non-OEM tires. Cars and trucks also have similar VSS systems and owners install tires with much larger dimension discrepancies from OEM than do Spyder owners. This, as far as I know in the Spyder world, with zero issues. The computer certainly has the ability to compensate for tire size, to a certain degree. Just as it does for variations in fuel octane and other parameters. I wouldn't worry about it.

If they want to report the tire install to BRP, I'd say 'Go for it!'. (Though I'm not altogether convinced that they would) Then ride away happy that you made a valuable improvement to your Spyder.

I was surprised to learn the Walmart shops carry the appropriate tire changing tool needed for Spyder wheels and tires. I have used the Walmart near me for front and rear tires with no issues. Note: NOT all tire shops have the required wheel rim holder needed. Just ask the shop if they have the correct machine to for your wheels.

While it is true that it takes a non-standard cone set to balance the rear wheel of a Spyder. (Not true of the fronts which can be spun balanced by most any automotive machine) A tire change on the Spyder, since it is a standard 15" automotive wheel with a standard automotive tire, takes no special tools or equipment to accomplish.
 
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It was explained to me by a dealer that they would install a auto tire if I wanted, BUT they would have to report it to BRP. I guess warranty issue. Now the question. Would you let a regular motorcycle shop install a rear tire?
Thanks, Bob

Its amazing to me what baloney a dealership will come up with to sell the higher price Kenda (with lower expectations) and threats to a customer just to get business!!!!
 
Like Ron mentioned, I had my front tires/wheels spun balanced where I purchased my car tires. Big "O". The rear tires on our spyders will always wear the center of the tread out first. No matter whether you run 50 psi or 0 psi. It's just the nature of the beast we ride. However, I run 17/18 cold and I seem to get the best performance and tread life at that psi setting. I know, I know many others disagree but that's my experience and I'm stick'n to it no matter what anyone else says.
 
If your Spyder Dealer says that they will install any tire that is good. I would consider letting them do it. The nonsense about reporting this to BRP, really makes no sense.

Unfortunately my Local Dealer will Only install BRP Tires. Just the way things are for now.
 
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