VSS/ABS There is NO MAGIC here!

[Magic Man]

My spyder is one of the 3 Lamonster was talking about that does not have any power steering yet no codes or lights.

BRP still has no Clue why? :dontknow:

Anyway, that said this testing was not so bad on mine. But with a "normal" power steering system I could see how it can be a white knuckle ride for sure. :shocked:

MM

 

[Magic Man]

How about pulling the fuse on the power steering?

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A blown, or no fuse triggers a VSS code and limp mode.

MM

 

[Lamonster]

How about pulling the fuse on the power steering?

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Just move all the sensors to the rear wheel. :doorag:

 

[Magic Man]

Just move all the sensors to the rear wheel. :doorag:

This will work, and will allow the speedo to work as well give the speed signal the VSS needs to have the PS work as designed. :thumbup:

MM

 

[DragonSpyder]

I have pulled the PS fuse before with no limp mode. So, does disconnecting the sensors then make pulling the fuse a no no?

 

[NancysToy]

I would think that moving all the sensors to the rear wheel would make the ABS useless. Let the experimenters out there beware. What a can of worms! I'd limit my experiments to the dyno if I were you. There are easier ways to hurt yourself! I've tried several of them.
-Scotty

 

[sleepman]

I would think that moving all the sensors to the rear wheel would make the ABS useless. Let the experimenters out there beware. What a can of worms! I'd lmit my experiments to the dyno if I were you. There are easier ways to hurt yourself! I've tried several of them.
-Scotty

One short ride was all it took fro me. My sensors will stay right where BRP intended them to be from now on. :yikes:

 

[Magic Man]

We made this post to say the Spyder can be Dyno tested without any "magic" being needed to do so on a stationary Dyno.

It never ceases to amaze me, that even though we told everyone "not to try this at home", that these test were done under controled conditions by trained professionals. That doing so could cause personal injury, death or damage to the Spyder. :yikes:

There were some people who seemed to think we were kidding, and that these things "could not happen to them." Wrong!:banghead:

In explaining on how the system works, and how it could be made to be able to perform for Dyno testing, it was not so all the daredevils out there would ignore the warning and try it at home. :banghead: :banghead:

This post was to try to keep other Spyderlovers from being taken by others acting like only they have the "magic" to do Dyno runs with a Spyder.

Once again...

It is never recomemded that any of you disable the VSS/ABS system on your Spyder for operation other than on a stationary Dyno under controlled conditions.

Operation of your Spyder with the VSS/ABS system disabled can cause serious injury to both you and or your Spyder, and possibly result in death.

Kids don't try this at home!

MM

 

[Smylinacha]

HDX won't get hurt - he does all sorts of crazy stuff! If you tell him, "Don't do it -he does the opposite.:2thumbs::bowdown::cheers:

 

[Raptor]

Personally I am having fun with everything JUST WHERE IT IS! :2thumbs: If you get smooth enough you can take corners at sick speeds and not compromise anything. And this bike has a pretty fair top end. So I'm happy!! No need to do anything that's going to compromise the integrity of the design, especially in a critical area such as this. I'll do Race air intake, Exhaust, shocks, sway bars, juice box etc. eventually but the Bosch system will stay where it is! Just my thoughts here...

 

[tweeder]

MM- I read the part that you say with the sensors disabled, the RPM reads zero. Now is that whats displayed on the tach or is does it get its reading directly from the engine?

 

[SethO]

Personally I am having fun with everything JUST WHERE IT IS! :2thumbs: If you get smooth enough you can take corners at sick speeds and not compromise anything. And this bike has a pretty fair top end. So I'm happy!! No need to do anything that's going to compromise the integrity of the design, especially in a critical area such as this. I'll do Race air intake, Exhaust, shocks, sway bars, juice box etc. eventually but the Bosch system will stay where it is! Just my thoughts here...

You can't be serious, maybe compared to some lumberwagon harvey danielson but to any real sportbike its buckets of **** slow.
I will disclaim this with speed is relative, some cage drivers think 100mph is fast. My standard is what I told Bernard at the chicago event, 150mph is the current standard because a american squad car will go 145mph and I need that 5mph extra.

I know I know, I AM THE RADIO YOU CAN NOT OUT RUN ,that is my job.

Its too bad that we are such a sue happy country now, the tcs is great for riders starting out and for 80% of the riders out there it will never be pushed but I will like it to not be as sensitive. it limits my double the posted on the public tracks and scews up mine exit and entrance because you have to adjust for it.

the real suck ass thing is I have to have a SE5 but would mine work if all 4 sensors were on the back???

 

[docdoru]

...but would mine work if all 4 sensors were on the back???

...to be seeing in Salt Flats, Bonneville, UT, SM5...

 

[bone crusher]

Personally I am having fun with everything JUST WHERE IT IS! :2thumbs: If you get smooth enough you can take corners at sick speeds and not compromise anything. And this bike has a pretty fair top end. So I'm happy!! No need to do anything that's going to compromise the integrity of the design, especially in a critical area such as this. I'll do Race air intake, Exhaust, shocks, sway bars, juice box etc. eventually but the Bosch system will stay where it is! Just my thoughts here...

I agree with ya and don't go Seth's way on this one. Where I live, we have speed cameras all over the place...go ahead and double the speed limit and soon you'll be losing your license and vehicle...

If a cruiser goes 145 mph, that's amazing...I always wondered how fast those things went. It is certainly not my objective to outrun the police...

I love my Spyder for what it is and what it can do. Some of what I value most about it is the safety features that keep the bike in check should there be some adverse conditions. We can ride in many situations where a 2 wheeler cannot. I'll likely never hit the top end speed and I'm fine with that...the bike is fun to ride at any speed...

Just knowing that the millennium yellow is the fastest color is good enough for me!

 

[Justin]

You can't be serious, maybe compared to some lumberwagon harvey danielson but to any real sportbike its buckets of **** slow.
I will disclaim this with speed is relative, some cage drivers think 100mph is fast. My standard is what I told Bernard at the chicago event, 150mph is the current standard because a american squad car will go 145mph and I need that 5mph extra.

I know I know, I AM THE RADIO YOU CAN NOT OUT RUN ,that is my job.

Its too bad that we are such a sue happy country now, the tcs is great for riders starting out and for 80% of the riders out there it will never be pushed but I will like it to not be as sensitive. it limits my double the posted on the public tracks and scews up mine exit and entrance because you have to adjust for it.

the real suck ass thing is I have to have a SE5 but would mine work if all 4 sensors were on the back???

You need all the sensors on the front. You have to build brackets for the rears and extend the wires. DPS, ABS, TCS works perfect and no codes. VSS is gone and you can do donuts all day long. The only time it gets interesting is in the rain. It's a completely different bike with it gone.

 

[Eddie]

I would think that moving all the sensors to the rear wheel would make the ABS useless. Let the experimenters out there beware. What a can of worms! I'd limit my experiments to the dyno if I were you. There are easier ways to hurt yourself! I've tried several of them.
-Scotty

I like to ride. So there for I find ABS a pain in the arse!!! nojoke ABS is for OLD FOLKS that like to putt

 

[WackyDan]

I'm buying the donuts!!!!:roflblack:

Dang.. Well at least we now know how to turn them into lawn darts per the original design.

 

[Firefly]

You need all the sensors on the front. You have to build brackets for the rears and extend the wires. DPS, ABS, TCS works perfect and no codes. VSS is gone and you can do donuts all day long. The only time it gets interesting is in the rain. It's a completely different bike with it gone.

I'm thinking you could buy another set of sensors for the front and then wire a switch in to swap from front to back----- or just build a box to mimic the signal for all 4 sensors and then switch that 'on' when you want some fun.

 

[Justin]

I'm thinking you could buy another set of sensors for the front and then wire a switch in to swap from front to back----- or just build a box to mimic the signal for all 4 sensors and then switch that 'on' when you want some fun.

This is in the works for this winter.

 

[Firefly]

This is in the works for this winter.

Excellent... let me know any ideas you come up with too. I'm wanting to do this in the winter too.

Will probably just end up with a switched unit--- I would love to be able to at least exit a drive and have the bike at a bit of an angle without that embarrassing sputter.. but I'm not going to bypass it for good--- just want a temporary option for some occasional fun...:2thumbs:

Ideally I would love something tied to the FRONT wheel speed that you could set the VSS to turn on once you reach a certain speed (adjustable would be the bomb!). I see little need for the VSS under 30 mph.

The sensors are not cheap

Front:

25a CAPTEUR *SPEED SENSOR
706200495

$89.99

Rear: CAPTEUR *SPEED SENSOR
706200560

$89.99