-
There were many reasons for the change of the site software, the biggest was security. The age of the old software also meant no server updates for certain programs. There are many benefits to the new software, one of the biggest is the mobile functionality. Ill fix up some stuff in the coming days, we'll also try to get some of the old addons back or the data imported back into the site like the garage. To create a thread or to reply with a post is basically the same as it was in the prior software. The default style of the site is light colored, but i temporarily added a darker colored style, to change you can find a link at the bottom of the site.
Useable downforce
- Thread starter altonk
- Start date
BajaRon
Well-known member
I honestly don't have the problem of overstear unless I jerk the steering too hard. And then I think it is more a case of inertia loading of the front suspension and not lack of downforce on the rear causing oversteer.
I've been able to get a slight drift in smoothly executed, hard cornering. I don't have a problem with the rear moving before the front does (which would be the oversteer you're talking about).
The only place I'd like to see more downforce is at launch, or when at high speed in wet conditions (to reduce hydroplaning).
But really, in this aspect I think the Spyder it is what it is and, for the most part, we need to learn to ride within the parameters it gives us. Done correctly, you can really get all there is out of this machine in most cases.
I've been able to get a slight drift in smoothly executed, hard cornering. I don't have a problem with the rear moving before the front does (which would be the oversteer you're talking about).
The only place I'd like to see more downforce is at launch, or when at high speed in wet conditions (to reduce hydroplaning).
But really, in this aspect I think the Spyder it is what it is and, for the most part, we need to learn to ride within the parameters it gives us. Done correctly, you can really get all there is out of this machine in most cases.
^this.:2thumbs:
So the wing project begins:
I ordered a kewlmetal luggage rack
http://www.kewlmetalstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=5_42&products_id=109
This is the frame interface
Next I'm ordering this wing 36" wide
http://www.pro-werks.com/partlist/831/
According to the data sheet
http://www.pro-werks.com/common/support/SolutionDetail.aspx?SolutionID=25
I should be able to get
32 lbs @ 50 mph
130 lbs @ 100 mph
At 80-90 mph that's about 10 percent of total weight
I ordered a kewlmetal luggage rack
http://www.kewlmetalstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=5_42&products_id=109
This is the frame interface
Next I'm ordering this wing 36" wide
http://www.pro-werks.com/partlist/831/
According to the data sheet
http://www.pro-werks.com/common/support/SolutionDetail.aspx?SolutionID=25
I should be able to get
32 lbs @ 50 mph
130 lbs @ 100 mph
At 80-90 mph that's about 10 percent of total weight
BajaRon
Well-known member
I would think these represent clear air values. How are you going to accomplish that?
AMTJIM
New member
I wouldn't expect anywhere near those specs, the airflow is too dirty by the time it gets there. Those specs are most definitely direct, clean airflow. Things would be a little different if you were shaped like a vertical stabilizer
DragonSpyder
New member
If your serious about faster cornering speeds a wing is not going to help much.
Better shocks, better swaybar, a 4th wheel would help a bunch, even a set of training wheels would probably help more than a wing.
I think it would look cool though so I am all for what you come up with. Good luck with your project!
Better shocks, better swaybar, a 4th wheel would help a bunch, even a set of training wheels would probably help more than a wing.
I think it would look cool though so I am all for what you come up with. Good luck with your project!
COOLMACHINE
New member
Go For It.
I say go for it and have fun doing it! I always appreciate someone trying something new. There are a lot of smart thinkers in this forum who enjoy a challenge.
opcorn:
I say go for it and have fun doing it! I always appreciate someone trying something new. There are a lot of smart thinkers in this forum who enjoy a challenge.
opcorn:
scudrunner
RT-S PE# 536
Looking at a F1 car, the entire thing is streamlined to produce the least amount of wind drag and puts the wings (front and rear don't forget) in the best possible location for down force. Plus they don't do much at all at low speeds, regardless of design. You have to have airflow to create the lift/drag. Airplanes don't fly at 40 mph unless they have large corded wings and lots of curve (flaps, slats, slots and other lift producing devices).
But all that being said, it is an interesting project to tackle and I'm interested in the progress and outcome....mainly from a student of aerodynamics perspective.
But if you want wings, there is always the Moller Skycar...
Raptor
New member
I will be very interested in what the outcome of this project will be. I have wondered myself how we can get a bit more "useable" downforce for our Spyders, of course the key word being "useable". But I like how you are going to attempt to actually get the wing in the air and make it effective.
The GG Quad is a good example of aero massasging and it's a great look!
Of course they attack the whole downforce issue differently with ground effects and shaping. I would love to see a pic of the wing before you mount it just to see what configuration you have decided on. I think the side plates are going to be important. Angle of attack is obvious of course... anyway, good luck! I'm rooting for you! :2thumbs:
The GG Quad is a good example of aero massasging and it's a great look!
Of course they attack the whole downforce issue differently with ground effects and shaping. I would love to see a pic of the wing before you mount it just to see what configuration you have decided on. I think the side plates are going to be important. Angle of attack is obvious of course... anyway, good luck! I'm rooting for you! :2thumbs:
