Update done well worth getting done!

[Magic Man]

Just got back from having the update done and before you ask I had "both of them" done.

I had the steering update done and the update if you have aftermarket exhaust and such to "cure" any running problems the first one might induce.

Anyway, the Spyder runs much better now for sure as it always had a low speed (2000 to 3000) hickup that even the Juice Box could not remove. I have always felt it has been a short coming in the orginal base program.

The other running of the bike was just great, and it runs as good or better then it did on the ride there.

As for the steering..... It now turrns with much less effort at all speeds and overall is much improved.

The ride to the dealer was on some twisty roads and I returned using the same roads. I could quickly feel that the Spyder was now turning with much less effort on the return trip than on the way there for sure.

Overall based on how our SM5 is running I would say looks like BRP has got the update all sorted out and I am glad I waited to get it done all in one shot.

MM

 

[Roger]

nice

patience is a virtue and it pays off no sence of stressing out over something you have no control of. Glad your happy MM. :2thumbs::2thumbs:

 

[BillGargan]

J
Anyway, the Spyder runs much better now for sure as it always had a low speed (2000 to 3000) hickup that even the Juice Box could not remove. I have always felt it has been a short coming in the orginal base program.
MM

You comment that it is a shortcoming in the original base program.

Yet, there are many like me that had no issues before or after the first update. How does that square with your comment? If it were a problem in the programming wouldn't it appear in all Spyders?

I certainly cannot understand some of the issues reported nor their causes -- but unless BRP is able to install different software on different Spyders there has to be some other reason for your issues.

 

[burg650]

I am not sure I want the new update done, my spydie seem to be running ok now but I do want to change the gas vent line. How can I find out which line it is and where the new one will be routed.

 

[ataDude]

... but I do want to change the gas vent line. How can I find out which line it is and where the new one will be routed.

Pull the right side black plastic. The emissions canister is right there. You'll notice a small u-shaped hose off of the top of the canister. That is the vent line that is replaced with a longer one to the front.

I personally replaced mine with one running to the back.

See item #2 in this post of mine:
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=143034&postcount=1

 

[Firefly]

You comment that it is a shortcoming in the original base program.

Yet, there are many like me that had no issues before or after the first update. How does that square with your comment? If it were a problem in the programming wouldn't it appear in all Spyders?

I certainly cannot understand some of the issues reported nor their causes -- but unless BRP is able to install different software on different Spyders there has to be some other reason for your issues.

What pipe are you running? Seems that most having the surge problem were running something other than the OEM BRP pipe that came with the Spyder--- perhaps that is the difference--:dontknow:

I plan on getting the update to the update done--- but won't have them mess with the evap line as my canister is now a dumpster magnet.

 

[Magic Man]

You comment that it is a shortcoming in the original base program.

Yet, there are many like me that had no issues before or after the first update. How does that square with your comment? If it were a problem in the programming wouldn't it appear in all Spyders?

I certainly cannot understand some of the issues reported nor their causes -- but unless BRP is able to install different software on different Spyders there has to be some other reason for your issues.

Both our Spyders and all the others I have ridden have a flat spot in the base program between 2000 to 3000 rpm. I have seen this on too many different bikes for it to anything other than a "ghost in the machine" program issue.

I have been working with Two Bros for quite some time now trying to see if the Juice Box could be made to "patch" this software issue the orginal Spyder program had.

The orginal update for the Spyder was based on a "stock" bike and it's parameters. Many bikes had the update with no issues. But bikes that had some changes like pipes and such could and did have some drivability issues. Not all bikes, but many did.

BRP has another update program they can load after the first one is done (which was mainly for the steering but also had some fuel management changes in it) The second update has some different fuel management settings which help these bikes run better.

Also, things like if the downloading of the update got "corrupted" during the download process do to things like cable issues, static and all the same things that can, and do make your computer at home have problems from time to time.

Also, add in the possibility that some bikes also had other previous issues, and it's a good chance some of these update downloads might not have gone as planned.

Besides, these bikes are designed, made and repaired by people, and when that is the case there are always things that can come up.

MM

 

[moroccomole2004]

Good points by all. I concur with MM in that I am running the Hindle exhaust and DSP update #1 severely screwed up the smooth running of my SE5. After the update back-firing between 3-4K and got a huge surge in 1st gear ranging from 1250 RPM to then jumping to 2100 RPM and that was at a stand still!

I so am so ready to get Update #2. Have contacted my dealer and waiting to hear back if they have it. ray:

Mole

 

[FANG]

I have the stock exhaust and the NMN green air filter. All other MODS are not associated with the engine or exhaust system. I had surging before the first update that became more pronounced after the update.

The surging does not seem to be as bad over the past 2 weeks (about the same time the temps started to change a little in the Southeast). I have also changed my ryding style to let me ryde minimizng the time I have the :f_spider: in the surging range for me (3000 - 4500 rpm). I am scheduled to get the second update on Saturday.

I hope it cures all the problems and I won't have to keep ryding the :f_spider: so agressively. My gas mileage has suffered since the first update. I would like to get it back up to my original gas mileage figures.

 

[BillGargan]

I am not sure I want the new update done, my spydie seem to be running ok now but I do want to change the gas vent line. How can I find out which line it is and where the new one will be routed.

The information from BRP is specific . . . If you are not having the issues you should not do that update. It was quoted by someone on one of the forums.

 

[Magic Man]

The information from BRP is specific . . . If you are not having the issues you should not do that update. It was quoted by someone on one of the forums.

If you are not having a problem great! Than maybe you don't need to do update #2, but many people are having some running issues and I knew right out of the gate with all the mods mine has getting it done was well worth doing.

Maybe for laypersons such as yourself BRP wants to see if they can get by without update number two being needed as many Spyders are totally stock. Unfortunatly if it's not right the first time it makes you have to return to the dealer (sometimes not an easy thing to do) But my dealer knows who I am quite well, and respected my wish to have both done at once to prevent such problems.

Jody just got back now with the SE5 which also just had both done all at once and again it is running great and steering easier too. :thumbup:

MM

 

[Some Guy]

I plan on getting the update to the update done--- but won't have them mess with the evap line as my canister is now a dumpster magnet.

Me too...and mine too!

 

[NancysToy]

The information from BRP is specific . . . If you are not having the issues you should not do that update. It was quoted by someone on one of the forums.

That is not exactly true. BRP says the "update is not necessary" if you are not having performance issues, they do not say it shouldn't be done. The entire text of the BRP message is as follows:

September 28, 2009, Spyder announcements
SPYDER DPS RECALL UPDATE - 9/28/09

For those of you still experiencing performance issues after having done the Dynamic Power Steering (DPS) safety recall with your Can-AmTM SpyderTM roadster - a remedy is now in place. We invite you to visit your authorized BRP dealership for a new ECM software update. If you have not yet had the DPS safety recall done on your roadster, we urge you to also make an appointment with your Can-Am Spyder dealer to have this safety recall completed even if you have not experienced any abnormalities in the response of your steering system.

The quantity of vehicles affected by performance issues after the DPS recall has been very limited; however, there are reports of surging between 3000 and 4000 RPM when the vehicle is ridden at constant RPM in any gear. The solution for this includes an update to the ECM software as well as the installation of a new Evap canister vent hose. Please note that these updates are not necessary if you have not noticed changes in the performance of your roadster since the DPS safety recall was performed.

Please do not hesitate to contact us for any questions. We can be reached by phone at 1-866-767-0707 or by email at: [email protected]. Our dedicated toll free line is open between 8 AM and 6 PM, Monday through Thursday, and from 8 to 9.30 AM and 10.30 AM to 5.30 PM on Friday, Eastern Time.

Thank you for your support and participation in the Can-Am Spyder community; we continue to appreciate your feedback.


The Can-Am Spyder After-Sales Support Team

 

[Firefly]

The information from BRP is specific . . . If you are not having the issues you should not do that update. It was quoted by someone on one of the forums.

I believe that is only for the 'update to the update'... as the first one was an actual recall.

I thought someone told me there were 2 different versions of the 'update to the update'--- depending on if you have the stock pipe--- or an aftermarket pipe??:dontknow:

I just dont' want people to avoid the steering recall update--- as that could be dangerous.

 

[Smylinacha]

Just got back from having the update done and before you ask I had "both of them" done.

I had the steering update done and the update if you have aftermarket exhaust and such to "cure" any running problems the first one might induce.

Anyway, the Spyder runs much better now for sure as it always had a low speed (2000 to 3000) hickup that even the Juice Box could not remove. I have always felt it has been a short coming in the orginal base program.

The other running of the bike was just great, and it runs as good or better then it did on the ride there.

As for the steering..... It now turrns with much less effort at all speeds and overall is much improved.

The ride to the dealer was on some twisty roads and I returned using the same roads. I could quickly feel that the Spyder was now turning with much less effort on the return trip than on the way there for sure.

Overall based on how our SM5 is running I would say looks like BRP has got the update all sorted out and I am glad I waited to get it done all in one shot.

MM

:clap: Yep - had my second update done from the brp tech at the BBQ. Cool - My Spyder was in his garage getting work done by this dude right from BRP! But if that didn't happen, I would have had Bobby Jr. from Garganos do it - he knows what he's doin!

 

[mvengineer]

updates

I had the updates done last week and my spyder runs perfectly in every aspect now. I am so so happy. Unfortunatley I will be not be riding it for long as winter seems to be arriving very fast in Michigan. I am praying ray: for a week or two of Indian summer to enjoy my beloved toy a little more

 

[bone crusher]

I had no problems before the first update and none after...however, I don't want to wait for a problem (if one ever occurs)...is it worth it to rush out to have the second one done, or just wait until my next service and have them do it then?

I plan to turn the juice box off again when they do the update...I haven't been on the bike in over a month so I haven't been playing with the JB too much...regardless, Magic Man, will the JB still have a great effect even after the second update?

 

[Donk45]

How long did the second update take? I know the 1st one took about 15 min.

 

[Magic Man]

How long did the second update take? I know the 1st one took about 15 min.

Fast, it was left on the cable and done in less than 3 mins

MM

 

[fred]

Had my update to the update last Friday, bad weather ever since, didn't really get a chance to ride until Sunday albeit in the rain for some of the time .. Spyder is back to running like it did before the 1st update... perfect.. hope we get sume Indian summer..

took about 20 minutes