uncomfortable in corners

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I'll have to assume( I hate doing that) you mean the reply buttons at the bottom right of each "box"? "reply" just opens a new box to reply in. " Reply with quote" is more specific and shows the quote your replying to. Like this one.
Lew L

Opps----- upon proof reading my post----- there is no difference.

:hun: ... On my computer there is a difference, I just tried " Reply " and got a blank box ..... tried " Reply With Quote " and got the post I was answering Above my answer..... like it's shown here now ..... annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd Lew, I hope to be Skiing in 2 mos. :clap::clap::clap:

 

[scorpion56]

Hey, you stole my post (when I was in my first weeks of ownership a few months ago). I asked the same question after I thought I was heading for the right guardrail in a 45-mph left curve. I liked Monk's answer above. The sensation dissipated (not 100% yet) after the first 1000 miles. It was that Disney ride sensation in my gut when I thought I was drifting out of the lane. I considered the sway bar but held off. The best advice I received from the nice people in this forum, and will now pass along was to go back to my 2-wheel school training and the part of the course on entering corners. I've posted the diagram below. Executing the curve this way, plus keeping my eyes up and through the turn, plus the other advice above on knees etc. really helped. Like I said, I'm not 100% there yet. Once in a while I get that Disney ride sensation, but it's much improved with time, miles, and practicing those corners. I realized that I had got lazy about cornering on 2 wheels.

 

[Big F]

Hey Monk, talk about getting the adrenaline flowing???? we just returned from Lamonsters Spyders in the Ozarks and logged many hundreds of miles in groups.. I don't believe there is a straight stretch of road longer than 100 yards anywhere in the Ozarks - just continuous turns left and right. the lead Spyder in our group was a seasoned rider from KC and he loved to get on the throttle!! He would enter most all curves that were marked 35 MPH at 50 plus????? My back saddle mate was petrified most of the time and we did lag behind some of the time because it is quite different on the curves with 2 adults aboard versus one...
Had a great time though...
BIG F

 

[BajaRon]

I'm into mine just about 1000 miles, after 57 years of 2 wheels. Mitigating the two wheel experience is time spent on my ATV and almost a decade of riding recumbent trikes (same configuration as the Spyder, which recumbent riders call 'tadpole' trike). So, I was pretty much ready for the steering differences and the dynamic issues. But, lane position remains as a problem. I'm on top of it mostly, but catch myself occasionally. The other issue is the rapidity of the turn in on corners -- It seems to turn abruptly.....and then back off a little. It may be a tire issue.

Actually, I do not think it is a tire issue. Instead, I believe what you are experiencing is the following.

Simply put, the stock Spyder leans too much. The way the steering (tracking) geometry is designed, lean creates an over-steer condition. This is why you get a 2 stage reaction in a lane change or anytime you are turning. You start the turn with a level Spyder and neutral tracking. The lane change introduces lean which puts you into an over-steer condition. This is the abruptness you feel. The progression to over-steer is logarithmic, not linear. In other words, the amount of over-steer gets worse at an ever increasing rate as more lean is introduced. A little lean gives you almost no over-steer. But as more lean is added. Over-steer gets much worse in a hurry.

In a long sweeping turn or curve, you get this same over-steer condition. You must then correct for the over-steer to stay in your lane. This unloads the suspension some, reducing lean and creating under-steer. You then correct for this and the cycle repeats. Each cycle is less severe and if the curve is long enough, you will eventually settle in and need no more correction. On a windy road, this multiple correction exercise for each turn can fatigue you. Many don't notice that they are having to do this multiple correction scenario. And they are surprised at how tiring riding the Spyder on back roads can be.

This oscillating scenario is exaggerated if you are riding 2-up because of the added inertia created by the 2nd rider.

Controlling excessive lean is the key. It will improve handling and stability while reducing steering effort and fatigue by virtually eliminating the over-steer, under-steer problem.

 

[SMITT15]

Totally agree with this instruction, it worked for me as a rider for 6 months

 

[Mike0123]

Very strange! I personally have never seen the information you are referencing. I must have missed it.

They might have seen this one: https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?135596-newbie-question-on-cornering

 

[BajaRon]

They might have seen this one: https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?135596-newbie-question-on-cornering

Yes, I did find this post yesterday and thought at the time, this might be the very post referenced by the OP on this thread. Very confusing because, as written, it has a good number of very misleading statements. I wonder if that person just misunderstood or misspoke. But, whatever the case, it was 180 degrees off on several points. The subject can be confusing enough without adding more baggage to the concepts involved.

 

[Spyder_Cowgirl]

Hey Monk, talk about getting the adrenaline flowing???? we just returned from Lamonsters Spyders in the Ozarks and logged many hundreds of miles in groups.. I don't believe there is a straight stretch of road longer than 100 yards anywhere in the Ozarks - just continuous turns left and right. the lead Spyder in our group was a seasoned rider from KC and he loved to get on the throttle!! He would enter most all curves that were marked 35 MPH at 50 plus????? My back saddle mate was petrified most of the time and we did lag behind some of the time because it is quite different on the curves with 2 adults aboard versus one...
Had a great time though...
BIG F

Were you in group 1 during the Flat Creek ride ... with Claude in the lead? If so, yes, he really does like to push it through the curves ... I managed to stick with him through most of it on the way back from Flat Creek (Claude on his F3 and me on my RT -- with sway bar and Elka shocks). I was not paying attention to speed, but am sure some of the 45 mph recommendations were tossed at 65 mph. Needless to say ... it was fun! I did back off after our leg stretch stop ... good thing; not only did I wear myself out, wore the RT out too -- check engine P0340 error, limp home. But was able to ride it all the way back to Lamont's and Harvey (Spyderpops) went above and beyond to fix (late on Saturday and he was already slammed).

Sorry for the minor thread hijack ... one thing I will say that is germain to the topic. Since I am riding with tears in both shoulders (not bad enough for surgery), I find that PUSHING gently with the outside hand is easier / smoother than pulling with the inside (and it doesn't wear my shoulders out either). So, for a left hand curve:
-- tuck your left knee against the tank
-- press with the outside (in this case right) foot
-- push, gently, against the right hand grip
-- lean slightly forward and left

With practice, this all becomes second nature -- you may even surprise yourself with how stable you really are on the spyder.

All the best .... Ann

 

[Catalyst105]

Turning left, push the right handlebar away with a relaxed grip while leaning left with head just above left mirror looking through the turn keeping back straight and head vertical, inside of left knee bracing against the tank and with weight on your right foot. Do the opposite for turning right.
These videos show good body position.

https://youtu.be/9p_nAyXFTKM

https://youtu.be/nPI1Unf2aro

https://youtu.be/8KDE3C1nj5U