Turn Signal / Brake Light - LEDs installed (w/pix)

[Motavar]

Just tried it didn't work on my 09 SE5. I installed the right turn signal led bulb, it flashed fast then installed the left led bulb-nothing. So then I reversed the polarity in the left socket-nothing, tried it a couple more times-blew the fuse.

Did you put the LED into the socket that works to confirm it's okay?

If that works.. then put the normal bulb back into the socket that works, and put the LED into the socket that doesn't work and let me know if it fires up.

 

[Motavar]

Just like with cars the two ways you get LEDs to work is:

1: A resistor to fake the computer into thinking the old bulbs are still in place
or

2: You replace the blinker module with a module designed for LEDs. I didn't have a chance to find the blinker module on the Spyder. If I find it I'll look online to see if there is a replacement to support LEDs. Only drawback with replacing the blinker module is cost.

 

[Motavar]

It would be cool if they made Type-2 Switchback 7507 LEDs.

Switchbacks run 6k White in color.. then when the blinker is turned on they flash amber. After the turn they go back to being white again. So they made for some trick daytime running lights.

Type-1 blink white-amber-white-amber.
Type-2 blink amber-off-amber-off.

I guess if someone wanted to..they could take 1157 switchbacks and cut the end off and then solder on the 7507 bottom on and make their own. Unfortunately I already have daytime running lights so I don't think it will be legal for me to have another set of daytimes on the bike.

 

[Campverdefela]

Did you put the LED into the socket that works to confirm it's okay?

If that works.. then put the normal bulb back into the socket that works, and put the LED into the socket that doesn't work and let me know if it fires up.

I've gone down this road before, even installing resisters, just doesn't work for me. Do you have a RS-09 SE5 also?

 

[Motavar]

I have an 09 Phantom GS - SM5.
Which is a RS. It's all the same crap.

So the bulb fires in only one of the front blinkers but not the other.
And you flipped the wires? When you flipped the wires.. does the original bulb still work in that spot?

There has to be a way to make it work.
Do you have a web link for the type of LEDs you purchased or did you pick them up from a store?
Would you happen to know the wattage?

 

[Campverdefela]

I have an 09 Phantom GS - SM5.
Which is a RS. It's all the same crap.

So the bulb fires in only one of the front blinkers but not the other.
And you flipped the wires? When you flipped the wires.. does the original bulb still work in that spot? Yes

There has to be a way to make it work.
Do you have a web link for the type of LEDs you purchased or did you pick them up from a store? I got them on ebay, but I have tried a few different wattages to no avail.
Would you happen to know the wattage?

The last ones were 12w but I've tried 1w..
I believe I recall from other threads that Nanny uses different parameters in the SE than the SM.

 

[Motavar]

Any chance you could take a picture of the bulb from the bottom. Is it a 7507 BAU15S connector with 1 dot on the bottom and 2 points on the side at an angle ?

* do you have a link from the ebay auction you got it from by any chance?
* what resistor did you use?
* Did you happen to replace the blinkers in the back of the spyder or are they stock?

 

[Campverdefela]

Any chance you could take a picture of the bulb from the bottom. Is it a 7507 BAU15S connector with 1 dot on the bottom and 2 points on the side at an angle ? Yes

* do you have a link from the ebay auction you got it from by any chance? No
* what resistor did you use? led load equalizers-25w 6.2ohm
* Did you happen to replace the blinkers in the back of the spyder or are they stock?

Stock

 

[Firefly]

Nice work Motavar.

Thanks for sharing your solution to the LED conundrum....

 

[Motavar]

Stock

My LEDs were 7w vs your 12w. hmm.

Okay do this..
Put your stock turn signals back in both front blinker spots.
I'm guessing you already cut the wire that went to the turn signal and prob have it taped up. un-tape and then try to light up the LED with the bare wires from the turn signal. Make sure you have the wires still connected to the stock turn signal.

So you should have 2 stocks running and bare wires hanging out so you can attach the LED to get it to light. The LED should light up. We're only talking an additional 12w (or 1w) depending on which LED bulb you selected.

Let me know if that works.


PS: reason I asked for who makes the LED is maybe I can order one online and try it out. There should be a way to get it to work on the Spyder.

 

[Campverdefela]

My LEDs were 7w vs your 12w. hmm.

Okay do this..
Put your stock turn signals back in both front blinker spots.
I'm guessing you already cut the wire that went to the turn signal and prob have it taped up. un-tape and then try to light up the LED with the bare wires from the turn signal. Make sure you have the wires still connected to the stock turn signal.

So you should have 2 stocks running and bare wires hanging out so you can attach the LED to get it to light. The LED should light up. We're only talking an additional 12w (or 1w) depending on which LED bulb you selected.

Let me know if that works.


PS: reason I asked for who makes the LED is maybe I can order one online and try it out. There should be a way to get it to work on the Spyder.

Thanks, I'll try that.

 

[kokki]

Take the brake light connector off the Spyder
Remove the shrink tubing that protects the 3 wires

Look at the connector and note wires #2 and #3
You will hook the resistor up to these wires.

Is the wire coming from pin 1 for taillight? Would use that for alarm system, if so.

 

[smporter420]

V-LEDS AMBER 20 LED 7W BLINKER/TURN SIGNAL LIGHT BULBS 7507 BAU15s

Will these bulbs work for rear blinkers on a spyder RSS? do u have to install new module's ?

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For the blinker I chose the following bulb from v-leds.com
V-LEDS AMBER 20 LED 7W BLINKER/TURN SIGNAL LIGHT BULBS 7507 BAU15s



BRAKE LIGHT INSTALL:


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For the brake light I chose the following bulb from v-leds.com
V-LEDS RED 92 M-SMT TAIL/BRAKE LIGHT BULBS 1157 2057
You can see the size difference from the original bulb.
Will it fit? Lets find out!

View attachment 9980
We have plenty of room


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Picture inside the housing

View attachment 9982
Turned the lights on to see what they look like.

 

[Pogo]

Hot resistor.

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The resistor will get hot. To the point where you will burn your fingers

Great post Motovar. :clap:

The engineer in me finds this unsatisfactory. One reason for fitting LEDs is to reduce heat. It is normally radiated inside the lamp housings where you can't feel it. Moving it to a resistor seems to defeat the purpose of using LEDs.

It should be possible to use an electronic ballast to draw the current that is excess to the LED lamps' needs, and shunt it back to the battery with much lower overall dissipation.

I have a rough circuit sketched out of a buck/boost regulator that would draw a couple of amps and shunt the current back to the battery.

My record of acually building these things is rather dismal though, so it might take a long time before I try it out. Is there anyone on the forum who would like to make one up and try it?

Pogo.