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TIRES ????????
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opcorn:same with me, just replaced rear tire after 13,800. I am happy with the mileage and performance.
jaherbst
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You usually get what you pay for right? The mileage is not what is important to me. Motorcycle tires will always perform better on motorcycles because of the softer compound. Harder compound tires get better mileage but tend to Hydroplane in heavy rain. Same equation relates to panic stops. You will not get the braking front or rear that you sometimes need with a car tire. Car tires operate with a lot more weight on them than a motorcycle or Spyder. Divide your Spyder weight by three. Now divide your car weight by four and see how much more weight you have on the tire than the Spyder tire. Spyder tires will have about #325 of weight each. Your car tire will have about #800-1000 pounds each or more per tire.
I would expect the penny pinchers will flame me with all kinds of armchair philosophy. Safety is much more important to me than a few extra miles not to mention my millions of dollars passenger.
These matters are all personal and reflect each individual approach to life. I always remind myself that my tires are "my only connection to the planet" and the only thing between the pavement, me and my Spyder.
Jack
Koop
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Flame on. For me it's not about pinching pennies - it's all about performance.
#1 - motorcycle tires aren't necessarily softer compounds - they're available in a number of different compounds.
#2 - harder compounds don't lead to hydroplaning. That's a function of tread design - rain channels and siping.
#3 - Wet traction is a function of compound - tires with high silica content are proven to have superior wet traction.
#4 - Vehicle weight is directly correlated to tire pressure. Contrary to common belief, sidewall construction isn't the deciding factor in tire weight capacity - tire construction is the deciding factor in tire pressure capacity. Air pressure in the tire is what supports the load. Using proper inflation pressure for the load is the key here.
You can call it armchair philosophy - I call it engineering.
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:agree: What Koop says pretty much covers it all!! :bowdown:
Welllll, except for one thing, and that is that the OE Kenda tires are for all intents & purposes just a lightly built, crap compound CAR TIRE that IMO comes out of one of the 'cheapest & dodgiest car tire' manufacturing plants in China!!!! They generally make wheel barrow tires, kids bike tires, & cheap & nasty ATV tires! The Spyder's OE tires they make have only 1 sidewall plié & 2 tread plies/belts (not necessarily that uncommon) but those they do have are of lesser strength & thickness material, only about 1/2 the thickness strength of the tread plies in almost every motorcycle tire & pretty much all car tires!! :shocked:
So if you want to dream that you are running on a tire that's been made 'specifically'' for the Spyder, dream on; but those who know a bit about tires & have bothered to look into it understand that Spyders, as designed & built, will actually run & perform better in all respects on better quality CAR tires than the OE tires, simply because: the rims on Spyders are 'car' rims, the beads on Spyder tires & rims are 'car' beads; the OE tire is (in all respects except the questionable M/C label on the sidewall) a 'car' construction tire..... and everything Koop says in his post is true & applicable to any tire.
Me, I've opted to run better made & quality constructed tires that have proven to be better in all respects than the OE crap - Oh, and they've worked out to be at least 1/3 the overall price too, & that's just on their purchase price, fitting & balancing, & longevity; not even taking into account the lesser wear & tear on me or the Spyder cos the non-OE tires work so much better in providing a safe ride, road holding, & braking with less road vibration & better absorption of road irregularities & debris impacts! Btw, they've already lasted more than 5 times longer than the OE Kenda's did on my Spyder too, & I'm generally pretty easy on tires! :thumbup:
Welllll, except for one thing, and that is that the OE Kenda tires are for all intents & purposes just a lightly built, crap compound CAR TIRE that IMO comes out of one of the 'cheapest & dodgiest car tire' manufacturing plants in China!!!! They generally make wheel barrow tires, kids bike tires, & cheap & nasty ATV tires! The Spyder's OE tires they make have only 1 sidewall plié & 2 tread plies/belts (not necessarily that uncommon) but those they do have are of lesser strength & thickness material, only about 1/2 the thickness strength of the tread plies in almost every motorcycle tire & pretty much all car tires!! :shocked:
So if you want to dream that you are running on a tire that's been made 'specifically'' for the Spyder, dream on; but those who know a bit about tires & have bothered to look into it understand that Spyders, as designed & built, will actually run & perform better in all respects on better quality CAR tires than the OE tires, simply because: the rims on Spyders are 'car' rims, the beads on Spyder tires & rims are 'car' beads; the OE tire is (in all respects except the questionable M/C label on the sidewall) a 'car' construction tire..... and everything Koop says in his post is true & applicable to any tire.
Me, I've opted to run better made & quality constructed tires that have proven to be better in all respects than the OE crap - Oh, and they've worked out to be at least 1/3 the overall price too, & that's just on their purchase price, fitting & balancing, & longevity; not even taking into account the lesser wear & tear on me or the Spyder cos the non-OE tires work so much better in providing a safe ride, road holding, & braking with less road vibration & better absorption of road irregularities & debris impacts! Btw, they've already lasted more than 5 times longer than the OE Kenda's did on my Spyder too, & I'm generally pretty easy on tires! :thumbup:
But asp125, Spyder rims aren't motorcycle rims.... :sour:
They don't look like motorcycle rims & they have 'car profile' beads that take car size & construction tires, why would anyone think it's off a motor cycle?? And why would you take it to a motorcycle shop to fit car tires?? Go to a car tire dealer!! If you just take the rim in & don't tell them what it's off, they probably wouldn't have any idea that it's not a 'specialty' car of some sort....
They don't look like motorcycle rims & they have 'car profile' beads that take car size & construction tires, why would anyone think it's off a motor cycle?? And why would you take it to a motorcycle shop to fit car tires?? Go to a car tire dealer!! If you just take the rim in & don't tell them what it's off, they probably wouldn't have any idea that it's not a 'specialty' car of some sort....
Shops are scared of liability because the Spyder falls in the "motorcycle" category.
People have and will continue to put auto tires on motorcycles because they want the widest or cheapest tire possible. Motorcycle tires manufactures responded by finally making wider tires but they can be expensive.
The Spyder dealer will continue to sell and push OEM parts because that is where they get the best pricing and profits.
The Spyder rims and tires are the same as a car. There is no riding on the sidewall like a motorcycle.
OEMs will typically use the lowest bidder. Even if a name brand, it will be one of their cheapest tires. You don't see OEMs using Michelin tires on autos.
I recall when I had a lifted Grand Cherokee and tried to get an alignment or tire repair/balance/rotation, many shops would not touch it because of the lift. The more I lifted it, the more I was turned away. Again, it is all about liability to them and the cost of a lawsuit is not worth the few dollars made from a service.
I've experienced good and bad tires of just about every brand. In most cases, there are pros and cons to each one. Some people drive slower and want high mileage. Others want performance, or wet traction, or snow traction, etc. There is a reason there are so many tires available. Tires have come a long way in the past 20 or 30 years.
I am rarely impressed with an OEM tire. Spinning and sliding the rear of the Spyder on wet pavement in 3rd gear is rather unimpressive. Here in FL it is rare not to run into some wet pavement somewhere because someone is always watering the grass.
I plan to switch to OEM tires myself but I recommend everyone do their own research and make an educated decision on what best fits their requirements.
People have and will continue to put auto tires on motorcycles because they want the widest or cheapest tire possible. Motorcycle tires manufactures responded by finally making wider tires but they can be expensive.
The Spyder dealer will continue to sell and push OEM parts because that is where they get the best pricing and profits.
The Spyder rims and tires are the same as a car. There is no riding on the sidewall like a motorcycle.
OEMs will typically use the lowest bidder. Even if a name brand, it will be one of their cheapest tires. You don't see OEMs using Michelin tires on autos.
I recall when I had a lifted Grand Cherokee and tried to get an alignment or tire repair/balance/rotation, many shops would not touch it because of the lift. The more I lifted it, the more I was turned away. Again, it is all about liability to them and the cost of a lawsuit is not worth the few dollars made from a service.
I've experienced good and bad tires of just about every brand. In most cases, there are pros and cons to each one. Some people drive slower and want high mileage. Others want performance, or wet traction, or snow traction, etc. There is a reason there are so many tires available. Tires have come a long way in the past 20 or 30 years.
I am rarely impressed with an OEM tire. Spinning and sliding the rear of the Spyder on wet pavement in 3rd gear is rather unimpressive. Here in FL it is rare not to run into some wet pavement somewhere because someone is always watering the grass.
I plan to switch to OEM tires myself but I recommend everyone do their own research and make an educated decision on what best fits their requirements.
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Welllll, except for one thing, and that is that the OE Kenda tires are for all intents & purposes just a lightly built, crap compound CAR TIRE that IMO comes out of one of the 'cheapest & dodgiest car tire' manufacturing plants in China!!!! They generally make wheel barrow tires, kids bike tires, & cheap & nasty ATV tires! The Spyder's OE tires they make have only 1 sidewall plié & 2 tread plies/belts (not necessarily that uncommon) but those they do have are of lesser strength & thickness material, only about 1/2 the thickness strength of the tread plies in almost every motorcycle tire & pretty much all car tires!! :shocked:
So if you want to dream that you are running on a tire that's been made 'specifically'' for the Spyder, dream on; but those who know a bit about tires & have bothered to look into it understand that Spyders, as designed & built, will actually run & perform better in all respects on better quality CAR tires than the OE tires, simply because: the rims on Spyders are 'car' rims, the beads on Spyder tires & rims are 'car' beads; the OE tire is (in all respects except the questionable M/C label on the sidewall) a 'car' construction tire..... and everything Koop says in his post is true & applicable to any tire.
Me, I've opted to run better made & quality constructed tires that have proven to be better in all respects than the OE crap - Oh, and they've worked out to be at least 1/3 the overall price too, & that's just on their purchase price, fitting & balancing, & longevity; not even taking into account the lesser wear & tear on me or the Spyder cos the non-OE tires work so much better in providing a safe ride, road holding, & braking with less road vibration & better absorption of road irregularities & debris impacts! Btw, they've already lasted more than 5 times longer than the OE Kenda's did on my Spyder too, & I'm generally pretty easy on tires! :thumbup:
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