You are right I been doing mechanical work all my life and enjoy it. Also I do have the equipment and tools and take it for granted that everybody can do it. Again you are right there can be some critical things involved. It is to bad that the dealer's won't do some of the things that customers want and charge a reasonable price. Just like installing car tires on a Spyder there is no more danger than motorcycle tires. I now DO understand. I sure don't mean to offend any one for not wanting to work on their Spyders. If my health was a little better and they lived close I would sure be glad to help anyone. Thanks for reminding me to be a little more courteous.
-
There were many reasons for the change of the site software, the biggest was security. The age of the old software also meant no server updates for certain programs. There are many benefits to the new software, one of the biggest is the mobile functionality. Ill fix up some stuff in the coming days, we'll also try to get some of the old addons back or the data imported back into the site like the garage. To create a thread or to reply with a post is basically the same as it was in the prior software. The default style of the site is light colored, but i temporarily added a darker colored style, to change you can find a link at the bottom of the site.
Tires General Altimax Opservation
- Thread starter Beaudog
- Start date
You are right I been doing mechanical work all my life and enjoy it. Also I do have the equipment and tools and take it for granted that everybody can do it. Again you are right there can be some critical things involved. It is to bad that the dealer's won't do some of the things that customers want and charge a reasonable price. Just like installing car tires on a Spyder there is no more danger than motorcycle tires. I now DO understand. I sure don't mean to offend any one for not wanting to work on their Spyders. If my health was a little better and they lived close I would sure be glad to help anyone. Thanks for reminding me to be a little more courteous.
Easy Rider
New member
And thank you for understanding that my comments were not meant to be an insult.
It would do us ALL good to take a minute and actually THINK about what we just typed before hitting the "submit" button.
Or even reading it over again after it posts.
:thumbup:
tehrlich
New member
Just because someone has said something over and over and over with countless emojis being abused, doesn't make it "science."
There is NO science for car tires on motorcycles. Plus, we are using different brands with different features.
Plus, SCIENCE has statistical analysis. There is NO statistical analysis of car tire pressures and resultant traction, wear, etc., etc. Just speculation and conjecture. Statistical analysis would have a RANGE of safety and performance. No one, nobody, can tell me that my Spyder runs better when I'm riding it with their tires and pressure, especially when I've ran them with a varying amounts of pressure.
15psi on the fronts was absolutely ridiculous to me, but I'm not going to say that someone else shouldn't be using it.
There is NO science for car tires on motorcycles. Plus, we are using different brands with different features.
Plus, SCIENCE has statistical analysis. There is NO statistical analysis of car tire pressures and resultant traction, wear, etc., etc. Just speculation and conjecture. Statistical analysis would have a RANGE of safety and performance. No one, nobody, can tell me that my Spyder runs better when I'm riding it with their tires and pressure, especially when I've ran them with a varying amounts of pressure.
15psi on the fronts was absolutely ridiculous to me, but I'm not going to say that someone else shouldn't be using it.
tehrlich
New member
The thing I find the most IRONIC and funny, is that someone can say: "I lowered the pressure to X and now all of my problems are solved." That apparently is SCIENCE and not "butt science."
But, if someone says otherwise, it's all butt science. I did this very thing went low PSI and rode many miles. Inched it up by two psi's and rode, and did it again, and again, and again. The whole time I did heat signature reading on all parts of the tread on all three tires. Reported my findings.
This is what these "scientists" said needed to be done to really know. I DID it, and showed it. Still not good enough. "Butt" I did my due diligence on my own findings. I think many do not, and go by how it feels. (The irony is killing me.:yes
I find that many can't discern speculation from science. Internet group-think is OK, but it many times is not science.
But, if someone says otherwise, it's all butt science. I did this very thing went low PSI and rode many miles. Inched it up by two psi's and rode, and did it again, and again, and again. The whole time I did heat signature reading on all parts of the tread on all three tires. Reported my findings.
This is what these "scientists" said needed to be done to really know. I DID it, and showed it. Still not good enough. "Butt" I did my due diligence on my own findings. I think many do not, and go by how it feels. (The irony is killing me.:yes
I find that many can't discern speculation from science. Internet group-think is OK, but it many times is not science.
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
Thinking & Commenting
:yikes: ......OK, your post above is a JOKE - right ..... Because a couple of months ago, on this Forum you said I was an " ASS "....this certainly doesn't agree with what you just stated ...... Mike :thumbup:
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
Tire Science
:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack: ..... Get enrolled in an " Accident Investigation " course ( they are available to the general public ). When I studied this subject there were 3 levels of accreditation, then Maybe we could have an intelligent discussion about this. Until then consider what you are posting on this subject, and how it may effect the safety of others. The recommendations I give about tire pressure are mostly directed at SAFETY ..... yes there is definitely a performance factor. But my main concern is SAFETY. Please give it some thought , there are Newbie's here who could be adversely effected by your rhetoric. Just because you took some " heat signatures " and came to a conclusion, .... on the topic of tire pressures that is like a grain of sand on the beach of knowledge....... PS , getting nasty or rude doesn't help your position on this ........ Mike :thumbup:The thing I find the most IRONIC and funny, is that someone can say: "I lowered the pressure to X and now all of my problems are solved." That apparently is SCIENCE and not "butt science."
But, if someone says otherwise, it's all butt science. I did this very thing went low PSI and rode many miles. Inched it up by two psi's and rode, and did it again, and again, and again. The whole time I did heat signature reading on all parts of the tread on all three tires. Reported my findings.
This is what these "scientists" said needed to be done to really know. I DID it, and showed it. Still not good enough. "Butt" I did my due diligence on my own findings. I think many do not, and go by how it feels. (The irony is killing me.:yes
I find that many can't discern speculation from science. Internet group-think is OK, but it many times is not science.
tehrlich
New member
You don't remember all of the quotes I gave you from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration ? It is all about LOW pressures, not HIGH pressures in tires.
But, alas, that is with heavy heavy cars.... I get it, but you still don't have science on your claims, AND you aren't bold enough to give an opinion on range of safety for CAR TIRES ON MOTORCYCLES.
But, alas, that is with heavy heavy cars.... I get it, but you still don't have science on your claims, AND you aren't bold enough to give an opinion on range of safety for CAR TIRES ON MOTORCYCLES.
tehrlich
New member
LOL... and, I did a lot more than just do heat signatures that your buddies wanted. I spent at least a couple hours running through rain and wet parking lots to see what would happen. AT LEAST I did that, but I'm not telling people they have to run higher PSI.
One of the WORST rides I had was when I had my Yokohomas at 15psi. I have a windy road near my house that I ran up and down with different PSI's. It literally felt like I was going to run the tread off of the tires at 15psi.
Hell, it barely turns in my driveway at 15psi, but do what you like.
One of the WORST rides I had was when I had my Yokohomas at 15psi. I have a windy road near my house that I ran up and down with different PSI's. It literally felt like I was going to run the tread off of the tires at 15psi.
Hell, it barely turns in my driveway at 15psi, but do what you like.
Easy Rider
New member
No confict at all. My above comment was not direct at YOU.
And moreover, I don't intend any of my remarks directed toward you to be insulting.
Just a statement of facts as I see them. Or maybe I should say that it is proved by SCIENCE. :roflblack:
My opinion hasn't changed since that post that you can't seem to let go of.
And I could elaborate, but I won't in the interest of civility.
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
TIRE SCIENCE
It would appear, that you think, a couple of paragraphs from me on this topic would fully explain the Science. I am a firm believer that knowledge is power, however only a LITTLE knowledge can be dangerous. And you Sir have very, very little knowledge about this subject .....Like I said above " like grains of sand on a beach "....As far as the N.H.T.S.A. info is concerned unless they are talking about tires and very lightweight veh's. ( and they don't ) the info is meaningless. But you don't seem to understand this concept and frankly I don't think you ever will.....Your preferred method of discussion is .... since I ( meaning you ) don't believe or agree with you ....I ( meaning you again ) will just revert to Vitriolic rhetoric directed at me...... The main reason I'm even TRYING to educate you is we are having showers in my area........ and yes your welcome for my insights ........ Mike :thumbup:
tehrlich
New member
The irony just keeps on giving. "The info is meaningless" from the NHTSA, BUTT you don't have ANY science on car tires on motorcycles.
Butt, "vitriolic rhetoric" could be my favorite ironic quote. Let's see here..... please tell the reading group how many times you've been edited for your vitriolic rhetoric.
pressure
After reading many - many opinions of needed tire pressure - it seems that no one wants to mention that the Spyder weighs almost as much as some tires are designed to handle.
If it is carrying the weight why doesn't it need the same pressure?
Seems like Firestone learned a lot about underinflated tires.
Just my 2 cents worth.
ps -I was installing and balancing tires before a lot of our members started school.
als
After reading many - many opinions of needed tire pressure - it seems that no one wants to mention that the Spyder weighs almost as much as some tires are designed to handle.
If it is carrying the weight why doesn't it need the same pressure?
Seems like Firestone learned a lot about underinflated tires.
Just my 2 cents worth.
ps -I was installing and balancing tires before a lot of our members started school.
als
Easy Rider
New member
And you seem to forget that EACH tire doesn't carry the WHOLE weight of the Spyder.
1000 pounds for a fully loaded RT....plus 500 for 2 riders and gear......divided by 3 (for a rough estimate), comes out to 500 LBS per wheel/tire.
But yes if you ARE near the load limit, you should be near to the max. pressure too. That generally doesn't apply here.
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
tire theory
My comments to the OP's specific statements are in RED .......Mike :thumbup:
.... ( I've met/known a lot of tire installers ( I'm 71 ) and most weren't HS graduates ( and still aren't .... and this statement is not to be construed as any type of SLAM towards you or anyone else.
My comments to the OP's specific statements are in RED .......Mike :thumbup:
Last edited:
Easy Rider
New member
The man IS a master at "projection".
Pretty much everything he says applies perfectly to HIM.
Just because one completes a training course, doesn't mean that he understands what was taught......or the practical applications of it.
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
TRAINING
:roflblack: ...Yes it's much better to have NO TRAINING and form a firm opinion based on that :yikes::roflblack::roflblack: and then tell everyone how WRONG they are :roflblack::roflblack:............ Mike :thumbup:
pressure
I didn't forget anything! Are you telling me that the Spyder is perfectly balanced with equal weight on each wheel?
Especially with your "500" ponds mostly to the rear?
I didn't forget anything! Are you telling me that the Spyder is perfectly balanced with equal weight on each wheel?
Especially with your "500" ponds mostly to the rear?
Similar threads
