• There were many reasons for the change of the site software, the biggest was security. The age of the old software also meant no server updates for certain programs. There are many benefits to the new software, one of the biggest is the mobile functionality. Ill fix up some stuff in the coming days, we'll also try to get some of the old addons back or the data imported back into the site like the garage. To create a thread or to reply with a post is basically the same as it was in the prior software. The default style of the site is light colored, but i temporarily added a darker colored style, to change you can find a link at the bottom of the site.

This is absolutely a miracle drug!

Dan_Ashley

Dan_Ashley

New member
http://sciencefriday.com/blogs/12/1...2/2013/the-miracle-drug-you-need-to-take.html

Thus is absolutely true! When I retired nine years ago, I was a 55 year old guy who weighed 255, blood pressure of 156/83 medicated, cholesterol of 210, a PSA of 3 and a resting pulse of 68. The doctor told me I was prediabetic wiith a fasting blood sugar of 110. My ex-wife had died from complications of diabetes. She lost both feet to gangrene, was on dialysis and had her rectum removed. It was awful.

I started a diet, used my net diary and limited my daily caloric intake to 1880. I started walking, a little at first and worked up to 4 miles a day, every day, of brisk and strenuous walking. I then augmented that with two pound weights in each hand and wearing 2 pound steel toe boots. I also Ryde my Spyder for an hour or two every day.

My doctor appointment yesterday: weight 184, blood pressure 125/55 NO medication, resting pulse 58, PSA 0.39 (see the zero?), cholesterol of 140, fasting blood sugar of 91.

This is a miracle drug. It really is. And it is cheap too.

the reason I'm posting this is because maybe it will help someone.

Dan
 
Last edited:
"Exercise" Has always been the Miracle Drug?
AND
Ask Yourself?

Am I eating because I am Hungry???

Or am I eating to Fulfill an " Emotional Need?"nojoke
 
Thanks for posting this. You may have the wrong audience here judging by the lack of response.

I have a similar but different story. I lost my wife at 53 and she was the healthiest person I have ever known. Cancer got her after 18 years. Without living healthy she may have been gone in 18 months, but who knows.

I went into a downward spiral and tried to commit socially acceptable suicide by eating and drinking and smoking. I picked up my 2008 Spyder and drove it to the doctors where I was told I had my second case of cancer. After a serious hospital stay I jumped on my Spyder and rode it across country and decided there were a few things left to do on this old mud ball we call earth.

Since then I have completely turned my life around, lost fifty pounds and 12 inches off my waist. I work out 300 days a year and this year I played 146 games of senior softball including the World Senior Games in St George, Utah. I wore out the original Spyder and am now on my second one, also a 2008.

I have ridden across the country again. I have been to the highest drivable point in the US, Pikes Peak, and the lowest drivable point, Death Valley. I have driven across the longest bridge, visited every mission in California and every whore house in Nevada. I have visited the second biggest ball of twine and Big Butter Jesus. I would rather be on my bike thinking about God rather than in church thinking about my bike.

So you don't have to eat right and exercise. But life is better when you do. And there are more places to go on my Spyder than I have been to, so I need to stick around a while.

And I have no problem with riding 120 miles to South Lake Tahoe, eating a greasy burger, and then riding a 120 miles back home. Everything in moderation, including moderation.
 
Oh so right..!!

Thanks fir the testamonial...always good to hear the true stories and not the sale pitches...congrats..!!:2thumbs:
 
Me too

Dan_Ashley said:
http://sciencefriday.com/blogs/12/1...2/2013/the-miracle-drug-you-need-to-take.html

Thus is absolutely true! When I retired nine years ago, I was a 55 year old guy who weighed 255, blood pressure of 156/83 medicated, cholesterol of 210, a PSA of 3 and a resting pulse of 68. The doctor told me I was prediabetic wiith a fasting blood sugar of 110. My ex-wife had died from complications of diabetes. She lost both feet to gangrene, was on dialysis and had her rectum removed. It was awful.

I started a diet, used my net diary and limited my daily caloric intake to 1880. I started walking, a little at first and worked up to 4 miles a day, every day, of brisk and strenuous walking. I then augmented that with two pound weights in each hand and wearing 2 pound steel toe boots. I also Ryde my Spyder for an hour or two every day.

My doctor appointment yesterday: weight 184, blood pressure 125/55 NO medication, resting pulse 58, PSA 0.39 (see the zero?), cholesterol of 140, fasting blood sugar of 91.

This is a miracle drug. It really is. And it is cheap too.

the reason I'm posting this is because maybe it will help someone.

Dan
Click to expand...

Bought my first spyder in March, turned 60 on May 5th and fell out with a heart attack on July 14th. Still managed to get 6000 mile in as of last weekend.

total cholesterol down to 91, A1c down to 6.0 so no longer diabetic. Continued weight loss after completing cardiac rehab for a total to date of 57 pounds. Still in the gym six days a week and riding every time it stops raining. Even planning a trip to Idaho for a navy reunion in July.

wife says I get grumpy if I miss a day at the gym. Good habit to have.
 
bobnaquin said:
Thanks for posting this. You may have the wrong audience here judging by the lack of response.

I have a similar but different story. I lost my wife at 53 and she was the healthiest person I have ever known. Cancer got her after 18 years. Without living healthy she may have been gone in 18 months, but who knows.

I went into a downward spiral and tried to commit socially acceptable suicide by eating and drinking and smoking. I picked up my 2008 Spyder and drove it to the doctors where I was told I had my second case of cancer. After a serious hospital stay I jumped on my Spyder and rode it across country and decided there were a few things left to do on this old mud ball we call earth.

Since then I have completely turned my life around, lost fifty pounds and 12 inches off my waist. I work out 300 days a year and this year I played 146 games of senior softball including the World Senior Games in St George, Utah. I wore out the original Spyder and am now on my second one, also a 2008.

I have ridden across the country again. I have been to the highest drivable point in the US, Pikes Peak, and the lowest drivable point, Death Valley. I have driven across the longest bridge, visited every mission in California and every whore house in Nevada. I have visited the second biggest ball of twine and Big Butter Jesus. I would rather be on my bike thinking about God rather than in church thinking about my bike.

So you don't have to eat right and exercise. But life is better when you do. And there are more places to go on my Spyder than I have been to, so I need to stick around a while.

And I have no problem with riding 120 miles to South Lake Tahoe, eating a greasy burger, and then riding a 120 miles back home. Everything in moderation, including moderation.
Click to expand...
I'm glad you made a turn for the better. I've taken to eating better and walking more and it has helped me feel better about myself. My mental health is directly tied into the miles I spend in the wind. I plan on spending more time with my friends who ride and much more time in the wind in 2014. I'll still eat things I shouldn't but I do things I should and hope it all balances itself out. Ride long and hard my friend. :doorag:
 
Lamonster said:
I'm glad you made a turn for the better. I've taken to eating better and walking more and it has helped me feel better about myself. My mental health is directly tied into the miles I spend in the wind. I plan on spending more time with my friends who ride and much more time in the wind in 2014. I'll still eat things I shouldn't but I do things I should and hope it all balances itself out. Ride long and hard my friend. :doorag:
Click to expand...
I Ryde as much as I can, walk 4 miles a day, and keep my weight down. Today, I'm going over to the sky diver's airport and having a super greasy burger. But I don't eat a burger every day-- maybe once a month. I drink whiskey every night, 3.5 oz. I also have a do named Whiskey--but he's a teatotaler.

my my life has never been better.
 
Last edited:
Dan_Ashley said:
I Ryde as much as I can, walk 4 miles a day, and keep my weight down. Today, I'm going over to the sky diver's airport and having a super greasy burger. But I don't eat a burger every day-- maybe once a month. I drink whiskey every night, 3.5 oz. I also have a do named Whiskey--but he's a teatotaler. my my life has never been better.
Click to expand...
Are you drinking any of this top rated medicinal stuff...?:roflblack:
Pappy2.jpg
 
I am 62 and around 7 years ago the doctor told me I was pre-diabetic; borderline hypertensive; and and my cholesterol was edging upwards.

I was told several things: (1) If I smoke, stop; (2) If I drink, reduce consumption; (3) moderate my diet and loose a few pounds; and (4) exercise, but he said that brisk walking and/or walking as much as I could in a day would probably suffice as the only exercise I needed.

I don't smoke -- so no issue there.

I drank. My problem with drinking was if I had a 12-pack in the refrigerator, I was prone to grab a beer before anything else - so I just stopped buying alcohol. He told me this on a Monday and by the next day - I had stopped completely. Later, he told me I didn't need to stop drinking alcohol, just not drink as much. My problem is if it is in the house - I will drink it. (NOTE: Same thing with candy, foods high in carbohydrates, soft drinks, etc. It is easier for me not to buy these things then have them in the house and try to control my consumption. I changed my buying habits and just limit what is in the house and that has worked pretty well).

I moderated my diet (for the diabetes and cholesterol) and lost about 20 pounds.

I walk as much as I can. I park near the back of the parking lot when I go to a store; walk up and down stairs instead of elevators; etc.

Those few changes have helped me control all of the conditions he was worried about.


[TD="class: tableCell"] Name [/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 200px"] Value [/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 200px"] Reference Range [/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]HgbA1C[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]5.8[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]<6.0 %[/TD]


[TD="class: tableCell"] Name [/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 200px"] Value [/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 200px"] Reference Range [/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]Cholesterol[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]139[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]<200 mg/dL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]Triglyceride[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]89[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]<150 mg/dL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]HDL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]40[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]>40 mg/dL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]VLDL-Calc[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]18[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]<30 mg/dl[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]LDL-Calc[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]81[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]<130 mg/dL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]Chol/HDL Ratio[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]3.5[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]<4.0
[/TD]

Yes, I can't get my GOOD cholesterol up, but my Doctor says that is not unusual for many people.


[TD="class: tableCell"] Name [/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 200px"] Value [/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 200px"] Reference Range [/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]T. Protein[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]7.3[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]6.3-8.4 g/dL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]Albumin[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]4.6[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]3.5-5.0 g/dL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]Total Bili[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]0.6[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]0.2-1.3 mg/dL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]Alk Phos[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]79[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]23-159 U/L[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]AST[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]40[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]17-59 U/L[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]ALT[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]45[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]21-72 U/L[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]Sodium[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]140[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]134-144 mmol/L[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]Potassium[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]3.8[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]3.5-5.3 mmol/L[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]Chloride[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]101[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]98-107 mmol/L[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]CO2[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]24.6[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]22.0-30.0 mmol/L[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]Glucose[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]111[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]74-100 mg/dL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]Calcium[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]9.8[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]8.5-10.5 mg/dL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]BUN[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]17[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]8-24 mg/dL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]Creatinine[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]1.0[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]0.3-1.4 mg/dL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]GFR[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]76[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]>60 mL/min per 1.73
[/TD]

My glucose is higher then I want - but a few years ago my reading would have been fine. LOL. They keep changing the standard (and lowering the number).


[TD="class: tableCell"] Name [/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 200px"] Value [/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 200px"] Reference Range [/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]WBC[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]5.5[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]3.8-10.6 10^3/uL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]RBC[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]4.68[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]4.20-5.80 10^6/uL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]HGB[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]15.3[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]13.5-18.0 g/dL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]HCT[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]44.1[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]42.0-52.0 %[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]MCV[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]94.2[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]78.0-100.0 fL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]MCH[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]32.6[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]27.0-31.0 pg[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]MCHC[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]34.6[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]32.0-36.0 g/dL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]RDW[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]13.8[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]11.5-15.5 %[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]PLT[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]198[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]130-400 10^3/uL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]MPV[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]9.5[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]7.4-10.4 fL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]NEU %[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]69.5[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]40.0-74.0 %[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]LYMPH %[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]19.9[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]14.0-46.0 %[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]MONO %[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]7.0[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]4.0-13.0 %[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]EOS %[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]2.9[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]0.0-7.0 %[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]BASO %[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]0.7[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]0.0-3.0 %[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]NEU #[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]3.8[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]1.8-7.8 10^3/uL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]LYMPH #[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]1.1[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]0.7-4.5 10^3/uL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]MONO #[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]0.4[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]0.1-1.0 10^3/uL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]EOS #[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]0.2[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]0.0-0.4 10^3/uL[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]BASO #[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]0.0[/TD]

[TD="class: tableCell, width: 215px"]0.0-0.2 10^3/uL[/TD]

Now here is the sad part. Many conditions, i.e. diabetes, high cholesterol, high blood pressure have NO OBVIOUS SIGNS. You may feel perfectly fine but in fact have a serious underlying medical problem or one that is developing. I grew up being told: ONLY GO TO THE DOCTOR WHEN YOU HAVE TO! Unfortunately, that means many people don't go at all.

How many of you even recognize what these tests are? And what they tell you?

Sorry folks - but when you get our age (I call it Spyder Rider Age) most of us should have these tests run routinely. And please - have a family Doctor who is familiar with your over-all health. Lastly, there are many conditions that are "hereditary" so if your parents, brothers, sisters, etc. have medical conditions - you should be on alert as to whether heredity plays a factor.

These numbers fluctuate through out the years.

My blood pressure readings are good but it is more important to track that then rely on a single reading in the Doctor's office. Get your own blood pressure device and track it yourself.

Yes, I did not have to stop drinking - but I chose to - nothing wrong with drinking alcohol in moderation.

Modest exercise was all that was required of me.

Modest changes in diet was all that was required of me. I still eat things that are BAD for me, just not as often. So if you think this means eating rice cakes and bland foods the rest of your life you are greatly mistaken. Mostly, it is eating the right portion. Get the 6 oz. petite steak and not the full pound. Don't go to buffets where you feel you are cheating yourself if you don't stuff yourself. Don't "biggie size" your order just because for $1 more you get twice the food.
 
Man I wish it was just that simple for some folks. I decided a year ago or so to change my lifestyle because I was adding a few pounds and starting to get a gut that I was not happy with. I don't smoke or drink but love to eat! I have never really been a big fan of eating totally healthy but did not eat too terribly bad either. I decided that exercise was the answer but what? Walking for me is boring, use to run as a younger fellow but back problems and a bum knee stops that, bought a bike thought I'd ride. That didn't last long because of severe pain in my neck and lower back not to mention it just hurts my butt. Then I stumbled on to recumbent trikes and fell in love. Latched on to my first one in September of 12 and between then and September of 13 I managed to log 2117 miles and even managed to ride my first century (100 miles) that is a huge feat on a pedal trike! Heres the down side, after riding all those miles I never lost more than a few pounds? Go figure??
 

Attachments

  • ICE Adventure HD-26 1 (Custom).jpg
    ICE Adventure HD-26 1 (Custom).jpg
    38.4 KB · Views: 21
  • century ride 3 (Custom).jpg
    century ride 3 (Custom).jpg
    62.5 KB · Views: 22
Last edited:
Ride a couple versions of Catrikes. 700 & expidition.

Weight loss key. Daily caloric intake has to be less than what's burned daily. Trike riding requires far less energy(calories burned) than does a two wheeler over the same course.
 
Last edited:
3 Wheel Addict said:
Man I wish it was just that simple for some folks. I decided a year ago or so to change my lifestyle because I was adding a few pounds and starting to get a gut that I was not happy with. I don't smoke or drink but love to eat! I have never really been a big fan of eating totally healthy but did not eat too terribly bad either. I decided that exercise was the answer but what? Walking for me is boring, use to run as a younger fellow but back problems and a bum knee stops that, bought a bike thought I'd ride. That didn't last long because of severe pain in my neck and lower back not to mention it just hurts my butt. Then I stumbled on to recumbent trikes and fell in love. Latched on to my first one in September of 12 and between then and September of 13 I managed to log 2117 miles and even managed to ride my first century (100 miles) that is a huge feat on a pedal trike! Heres the down side, after riding all those miles I never lost more than a few pounds? Go figure??
Click to expand...
You put it in such simple terms! The whole program to lose weight and become more fit is also simple: eat fewer calories and exercise. Simple.

Just because something is simple doesn't mean it is easy. I had a friend who climbed Mt. Everest. I asked him how he accomplished it. He said, "It was simple, I just kept putting one foot in front of another..." Simple--yes. Easy? No way. It was very difficult.

The same thing with this stuff--simple but very difficult...at least it was for me.
 
3 Wheel Addict said:
Man I wish it was just that simple for some folks. I decided a year ago or so to change my lifestyle because I was adding a few pounds and starting to get a gut that I was not happy with. I don't smoke or drink but love to eat! I have never really been a big fan of eating totally healthy but did not eat too terribly bad either. I decided that exercise was the answer but what? Walking for me is boring, use to run as a younger fellow but back problems and a bum knee stops that, bought a bike thought I'd ride. That didn't last long because of severe pain in my neck and lower back not to mention it just hurts my butt. Then I stumbled on to recumbent trikes and fell in love. Latched on to my first one in September of 12 and between then and September of 13 I managed to log 2117 miles and even managed to ride my first century (100 miles) that is a huge feat on a pedal trike! Heres the down side, after riding all those miles I never lost more than a few pounds? Go figure??
Click to expand...

Did you bother to check how many inches you lost on your waist and gained on your thighs? It's not all about weight. It's about being healthy.

It's almost impossible to lose weight by exercise alone because activity generally increases your appetite. As the saying goes,"You lose weight in the kitchen and you get in shape at the gym". Or bicycle in your case.

Congrats on your century ride. Now do two of them this year. Live well in any case.
 
Let me say Congratulations to all you folks who are getting fitter by diet and exercise. I, too, have been losing weight that way.

I have never been much of a consumer of medical services - I've been blessed with good health throughout my life. So I never really had to learn to do all the healthy things. I ate what I wanted, exercised little and gained weight as I got older. There were times when I worked out regularly because that's what my friends did and I followed along. But now I have no medical insurance, and am concerned about the physical state I will be in as I go into old age (whatever that is). I'm not worried about dying at 70, but about living to 99 and being too decrepit to really live!

So I've been doing Weight Watchers and I'm getting back into an exercise lifestyle. The exercise is the hardest thing for me. But I think I'm at that corner of "exercising because I must" and "exercising because I like it."

Maybe at Spyderfest we'll have a lot less of some of us!
 
Miracle Drug

I guess I am going to have to try it!
Nothing else is doing very much.:roflblack:

Merry Christmas :joke:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top