The engine that should come in the sport model

[spydee owner]

I would like to see all aluminum frame, either front and or all wheel drive(preferrably all wheel drive), and either the triple1200cc engine used in the snowsleds or the 1125 R engine. I would also like to see them get rid of duplication in the gauge cluster ( don't need both digital and regular gauges). Would like to see dual pipes (one down each side of bike) and faired front wheels (optional). I would like to see the Japanese manufacturers get into the 3 wheel bike market as well. Can you imagine a three wheel bike similar to spyder with a 'busa or R1 mill?
PS diesel is not a stretch... look what is being done with some of the gt1 lemans cars!!
hybrid electric is also possible.

 

[bjt]

I know I'm :bdh: but this is the direction I'd like to see expolored. Diesel is heavier but the Spyder can handle the extra weight better than 2 wheels. Ok, so it's an ugly motor. Who cares on the Spyder where you don't even see the motor.
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I like the idea also. After being a (minority) co-owner of a diesel Chevy truck :thumbup:, I wish car companies would make more diesel engined vehicles. It was a very good running vehicle.

 

[mtdoragary]

I know I'm :bdh: but this is the direction I'd like to see expolored. Diesel is heavier but the Spyder can handle the extra weight better than 2 wheels. Ok, so it's an ugly motor. Who cares on the Spyder where you don't even see the motor.

You want mileage, you can get it with diesel. You want torque...diesel. If a small diesel motor like this could get the engineering attention that small gasoline motors get it might really surprise you in the power potential as well.

You want low RPM? This 1400cc, twin cam, four valve per cylinder, vertical twin turbo diesel with intercooling produces 100hp and 144 foot pounds of torque at 2600rpm.

Ok, not Ninja material, but I like the concept.

Ok, so I'm the only one that likes this direction. That's ok. I don't mind....

My truck is Cummins powered, my tractor is Yanmar diesel, and my mower is Kubota diesel. The only reason my car isn't a diesel is because the VW CC is not available with diesel in the USA! I considered putting a Yanmar in my URAL, but now I'm too old and broke!

 

[NancysToy]

I like the idea also.

+1 Diesels are very big in European autos. I'd like to see that move over to some motorcycles. We could run them on bio-diesel and "go green".

 

[draboo]

I know I'm :bdh: but this is the direction I'd like to see expolored. Diesel is heavier but the Spyder can handle the extra weight better than 2 wheels. Ok, so it's an ugly motor. Who cares on the Spyder where you don't even see the motor.

You want mileage, you can get it with diesel. You want torque...diesel. If a small diesel motor like this could get the engineering attention that small gasoline motors get it might really surprise you in the power potential as well.

You want low RPM? This 1400cc, twin cam, four valve per cylinder, vertical twin turbo diesel with intercooling produces 100hp and 144 foot pounds of torque at 2600rpm.

Ok, not Ninja material, but I like the concept.

Ok, so I'm the only one that likes this direction. That's ok. I don't mind....

Ron, do you have a link to the motorcycle that this motor is built for?

 

[altonk]

I agree Audi owns lemans racing with the tdi
http://www.icars.sg/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/audi-r15-2.jpg

 

[Firefly]

1400cc and 100hp........

 

[dave01]

Lets just go for it and say an inline 4, 186 hp instock form 1200cc and for the superstock version, one with a turbo making 295 at the rear wheel. These things have enough room for an intercooler so 460 hp is real possible, but not on pump gas
http://www.youtube.com/v/6wB98Khk01k?fs=1&l=en_US

 

[Raptor]

I have to say that some of the thoughts and ideas that have been shared here have been nothing short of briliant! Nice job everyone. Real ideas from real riders. My hope is that BRP is taking this all in. You never know guys, we could see some innovation on new models in the near future based on thoughtful conversations just like this one. :2thumbs:

 

[retread]

I vote for Aprilia Tuono. Engine. It is a proven engine and should just drop right in. Add some more cooling and better extraction of under body heat. Also add a tuned dual exhaust system and we'd have ourselves a winner. :2thumbs:

What we have is basically the Tuono engine tuned for more torque, and sixth gear replaced by reverse. Or the old RSV engine done the same way, take your pick.
I'd like to see a lower revving, higher torque setup along the lines of the Triumph Rocket 3, with shaft drive.:doorag:

john

 

[BajaRon]

1400cc and 100hp........

You're missing 2/3's of the story here. Yes, the HP is not earth shattering. BUT!

Our Spyder makes only 6 more HP, and that at 8500 RPM! That's almost 6 grand higher than the 2600 RPM where you get 100 hp from this diesel.

Even more impressive is the 144 ft lbs. torque at 2600 rpm. Nearly twice the torque of our current power plant of 77 ft. lbs @ 6000 rpm. And it gets there 4,400 rpm sooner.

 

[BajaRon]

Ron, do you have a link to the motorcycle that this motor is built for?

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2006/06/19/neander-turbo-diesel-motorcycle/

 

[Firefly]

I'll keep the diesel reserved for my tractor.......

Realistically we'll probably see a 1200 sport version---- maybe in 2012 if the world is still here....:roflblack:

 

[BajaRon]

I vote for Aprilia Tuono. Engine. It is a proven engine and should just drop right in. Add some more cooling and better extraction of under body heat. Also add a tuned dual exhaust system and we'd have ourselves a winner. :2thumbs:

If the stock Tuono engine would have worked, we'd have gotten it. It cost some bucks to redesign our current engine. Why would BRP spend the money if they could have slapped an off the shelf motor into our Spyder? Answer, they wouldn't

Truth is, you would not be happy with the Tuono engine. There is more to life then HP. The exta HP would not do you much good without the necessary torque to get all this iron and plastic moving.

It would be a miserable ride. In my opinion, the torque we now have is marginal.

What a motor does in a 400 lb machine and one that weighs nearly twice that with 3 times the frontal area are very different.

BRP definitely did the right thing.

 

[BajaRon]

I'll keep the diesel reserved for my tractor.......

Realistically we'll probably see a 1200 sport version---- maybe in 2012 if the world is still here....:roflblack:

I know I could change your mind with the right diesel. But I doubt we'll ever see it. Just too much negative (undeserved, in my opinion) mind set out there.

 

[randian]

The Spyder needs a sixth gear much more than it needs a new engine. As for the engine, how about keeping things in the family by using the Rotax from the Buell 1125CR?

 

[BajaRon]

The Spyder needs a sixth gear much more than it needs a new engine. As for the engine, how about keeping things in the family by using the Rotax from the Buell 1125CR?

That would be a good choice. But from what I hear the 1125 is tied up in the Buell package (now defunct) and either isn't for sale or the rights went to someone other than BRP.

That motor would need the same up in torque costing total peak hp just like our current power plant.

 

[venom]

what i heard is the 1125cc rotax built for Buell who no longer using this motor....

 

[randian]

That would be a good choice. But from what I hear the 1125 is tied up in the Buell package (now defunct) and either isn't for sale or the rights went to someone other than BRP.

I'm sure whoever owns the rights to produce the engine wouldn't mind making a deal, since that right is worthless right now.

That motor would need the same up in torque costing total peak hp just like our current power plant.

From what I could tell the 1125CR motor not only has loads more peak power, it has a much flatter torque curve than the Spyder's.

 

[randian]

what i heard is the 1125cc rotax built for Buell who no longer using this motor....

Exactly. What value does that motor have right now? Zero. What value does it have if Can-Am is buying them for its Spyder? More than zero. I find that math compelling.