TERROR ATTACK IN MANHATTAN

[classicvw]

How does mistreating individuals solve anything? And, how does it serve as a warning? It just inflames the situation more. We need more dialog and less sabre-rattling.

First, you have to realize there's no excuse for how they treat their prisoners- most of whom are innocent civilians and not combatants- beheaded, burned alive, skinned alive, ground up by tank treads, etc.,and they want us to suffer the same fate. There's no changing them. The only thing that gets their attention is strength, not weakness and talking.

 

[cmbspyderrss]

1400 shocking years of Islam in 5 minutes

This was informative to me at least

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

she is a great woman and tells it like it is, read up on her history to know why she is scared of and hates islam. she
has also stated 15% - 25% of muslims support jihad.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

What gets to me is the media always refers to them as the 'suspected' or 'alleged' terrorist or murderer when there's 100 witnesses, video of the guy doing it, and him being all proud of what he did and admitting it in the hospital.

Like it or not that is in fact what he is until a judge and/or jury has convicted him. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. One of the outstanding hallmarks of American society and governance.

 

[JerryB]

Hi easysuper,

Re: I canot understand why he is not in the ground already.

It is that document known as the US Consitution. It guarentees ( even you & yours ) due process.

Would you like that to be removed from the Constituion?

Jerry Baumchen

 

[Bob Denman]

Hi Jerry!
Hang onto something, and take a deep breath... :agree:

:yikes:

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Hi easysuper,

Re: I canot understand why he is not in the ground already.

It is that document known as the US Consitution. It guarentees ( even you & yours ) due process.

Would you like that to be removed from the Constituion?

Jerry Baumchen

NO, but how about a speedy trial, watch the video, listen to the defendent, 1 hour later guilty as charged.

 

[classicvw]

Like it or not that is in fact what he is until a judge and/or jury has convicted him. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. One of the outstanding hallmarks of American society and governance.

I certainly get all that, worked in the field for almost 40 years. But he IS a murderer, admits it, there's video of it, and dozens of witnesses. I'm not saying to not give him a trial, just call him what he is. After all, he's proud of his actions.

 

[JerryB]

Hi Bob,

Re: :agree:

Actually, while I might get on your keester for some of your general comments, I do think we would get along just great should we ever meet one another.

And I really mean that,

Jerry Baumchen

 

[JerryB]

Hi SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN,

Re: how about a speedy trial, watch the video, listen to the defendent, 1 hour later guilty as charged.

I can agree with your post with an exception to this: 1 hour later guilty as charged.

That is for the jury to decide; not any keyboard cowboys ( and I am one ). Of course, with you living in New York, you could end up on the jury. :shocked:

Jerry Baumchen

PS) All of my thinking/adult life I have been a strong believer in innocent until proven guilty. And since my son is a criminal defense attorney, we discuss these types of things a whole bunch.

 

[UtahPete]

First, you have to realize there's no excuse for how they treat their prisoners- most of whom are innocent civilians and not combatants- beheaded, burned alive, skinned alive, ground up by tank treads, etc.,and they want us to suffer the same fate. There's no changing them. The only thing that gets their attention is strength, not weakness and talking.

There's 'they' again. Who are you talking about? Muslims? Muslim countries?

 

[UtahPete]

This was informative to me at least

For people who want all the messy issues of society reduced to sound bites (or tweets), I guess this would be very satisfying.

 

[BoilerAnimal]

This was informative to me at least

The Family Research Council is a bunch of extremists in their own right.

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Hi SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN,

Re: how about a speedy trial, watch the video, listen to the defendent, 1 hour later guilty as charged.

I can agree with your post with an exception to this: 1 hour later guilty as charged.

That is for the jury to decide; not any keyboard cowboys ( and I am one ). Of course, with you living in New York, you could end up on the jury. :shocked:

Jerry Baumchen

PS) All of my thinking/adult life I have been a strong believer in innocent until proven guilty. And since my son is a criminal defense attorney, we discuss these types of things a whole bunch.

i am actually a proponent of those who are innocent and put in jail but this guy is not one of them. is there any non
muslim who will say otherwise? even his defense attorney never said innocent. the money spent on his trial could better be spent on the homeless in manhattan.
as for proof i believe eye witnesses are very unreliable but couple that with video and admission there is nothing left to say...................KILL HIM, boil him in donated bacon grease and then put him in jail.

 

[UtahPete]

i am actually a proponent of those who are innocent and put in jail but this guy is not one of them. is there any non
muslim who will say otherwise? even his defense attorney never said innocent. the money spent on his trial could better be spent on the homeless in manhattan.
as for proof i believe eye witnesses are very unreliable but couple that with video and admission there is nothing left to say...................KILL HIM, boil him in donated bacon grease and then put him in jail.

Fortunately for our democracy and justice system, cooler heads will prevail.

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Fortunately for our democracy and justice system, cooler heads will prevail.

and money will be spent on his incarceration, his trial and acts of islamic terror will continue.

 

[BoilerAnimal]

and money will be spent on his incarceration, his trial and acts of islamic terror will continue.

Spending money on incarcerations and trials instead of immediate executions is one of the hallmarks of a civilized society. Also, since 2008, an absence of torture.

Acts of terror will continue. If we were to handle terrorists as some have suggested, then acts of terror would increase as retribution for barbaric actions on our part, regardless of the nationality, religion or cause of the terrorists. We would also loose what little moral high ground we still have.

 

[classicvw]

There's 'they' again. Who are you talking about? Muslims? Muslim countries?

Do you ever get tired of jerking people's chains? Or are you actually a 12 yr old?

It's quite obvious I was talking about people who murder innocent civilians, journalists, and POWs.
I couldn't care what their religious beliefs were, they are criminals, period.
YOU are the one who inserted "Muslim" in the discussion.

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Do you ever get tired of jerking people's chains? Or are you actually a 12 yr old?

It's quite obvious I was talking about people who murder innocent civilians, journalists, and POWs.
I couldn't care what their religious beliefs were, they are criminals, period.
YOU are the one who inserted "Muslim" in the discussion.

it's obvious 'they' are the weathermen since they said it will be cold today.
i hate when people say 'they' like you should know who 'they' are.

 

[Bob Denman]

Hi Bob,

Re: :agree:

Actually, while I might get on your keester for some of your general comments, I do think we would get along just great should we ever meet one another.

And I really mean that,

Jerry Baumchen

I'm feeling the love; Bro,,,
Right back 'atcha! :2thumbs: