Tell Tell Signs between 600 and 900?

[Jdr00ejr]

So with the Spyder RT there's a few subtle tell tell signs that jump out to a trained eye as to if it's the old 998 motor or the new 1330 motor.

I'm curious on the Rykers - is there any tell tell signs that someone can see and go - oh, that's a 900 or oh, that's a 600?

 

[gr8Frank]

The 900 has “900” on the front storage lid.

 

[Jdr00ejr]

The 900 has “900” on the front storage lid.

Oh, like a decal? Is it on all the 900s (unless the owner has taken it off of course)? Good to know!

 

[SportsterDoc]

900 is molded into the plastic, but numbers are very small. Not likely to be noticed unless walking by while it's parked.

 

[BajaRon]

I'd say the biggest tell-tail sign... is when you twist the throttle! :yikes:

 

[gkamer]

Is the length of the rear fender different between the 600-900? I thought the 600 had a shorter like a mini fender.....

Nah, in looking at pics, the 600 seems to have the same rear fender design as the 900 ACE.

 

[Markubis]

Is the length of the rear fender different between the 600-900? I thought the 600 had a shorter like a mini fender.....

Nah, in looking at pics, the 600 seems to have the same rear fender design as the 900 ACE.

Close...the rally has a short back fender.

 

[Jdr00ejr]

Is the length of the rear fender different between the 600-900? I thought the 600 had a shorter like a mini fender.....

Nah, in looking at pics, the 600 seems to have the same rear fender design as the 900 ACE.

The Rally (all Rallys are 900s, but not all 900s are Rallys) got a short fender. The idea being that it can do more dirt roads/etc and they didn't want things caught up in the full fender. But humorously, most folks want the full fender when doing more dirt roads/etc so that junk isn't thrown up at them.

 

[Jdr00ejr]

I'd say the biggest tell-tail sign... is when you twist the throttle! :yikes:

I'm sure you are right about that. But I've actually heard the 600 is surprisingly peppy as well. I'm just more curious when walking around and seeing them parked, etc. if you can quickly tell the difference. Now I know to look for the 900 on the glovebox panel. I install LED lighting/etc. on rides and in the last week I've been booming with Rykers - so was just curious how to tell them apart.

 

[Rydernow]

I think the biggest difference is the 900 Ryder gets to know the folks at the Chevron better.

 

[SportsterDoc]

I think the biggest difference is the 900 Ryder gets to know the folks at the Chevron better.

Or Shell!
Averaging 33-34 MPG most rides.

 

[rakerrykerrider]

The last two fill-ups on my 900 yielded 39 and 40 mpg. It's all in how you ride.

 

[canamryder]

The last two fill-ups on my 900 yielded 39 and 40 mpg. It's all in how you ride.

:agree: My ride this past Tuesday of 80 miles (round trip on county roads) to my Rally dealer was 39.6 mpg. I average around that a lot. I enjoy the county roads more than the highways. btw 50 miles round trip on the high way.

 

[Peter Aawen]

The 'most obvious from a distance' thing that I notice between the two different machines as they ryde past is the engine noise?!? I generally can't 'see' what they're doing in the way of fuel economy when they ryde on by and I don't always have the time or opportunity to talk to the owner/ryders in that much detail. :dontknow: Buuut, even with what little of my hearing that's still left functioning, there's a distinctive & noticeable difference in the noise & the 'feel' of the sound the different engine's make.... nojoke


Not sure I can describe it all that well . but the noise from the 600's sounds & feels like it's coming from a smallish twin cylinder engine, especially when they are revving away hyea:

While just like the 1330's, the noise from the 900's sounds & feels like it's coming from an over-revved sewing machine that's desperately trying to escape the suffocating confines of all the tupperware.... :shocked: . I guess it's more of a 'feeling' about the vibrations on my skin from the sound waves, but the 900's somehow feel 'rattlier' & more 'frenetic' even as they do get up and go! :thumbup:

So for whatever that lot's worth.... :cheers:

 

[SportsterDoc]

The 600 is peppy. I test drove a new one to figure out if I would be satisfied with a Y roadster.
The dealer had not yet assembled a 900, so a new 600 off the showroom floor was fueled.
Being a new motor, I was cautious with revs, but at the end of the 10 mile ride in the south of Las Vegas valley, I got on highway 95, went a few miles, doubled back to check uphill on-ramp acceleration. I would have enjoyed a 600

However, riding steep grades at elevation, I suspect that less than 900 would not satisfy for long.

The Ryker 600 is 50 HP @ 7300, idle 1100 RPM, 12:1 comp
The Ryker 900 is 82 HP @ 8000, idle 850 RPM, 11;1 comp

https://lam.can-am.brp.com/content/...Can-Am_Spyder_MY19_Ryker_Spec Sheet_EN_LR.pdf

The bottom line is a 600 has a great price point and satisfaction likely based upon how it will be used: Great commuter.

 

[old Timer]

With a CVT transmission that the Rykers have, exactly like most ATV's and Side by Side's, ie same normal clunking characteristics utilize the torque of the various motors rather than Horse Power.

 

[old Timer]

I have ridden a 600 2 cylinder up to about 60 MPH, totally surprised on its pep and power. Also really liked the sound and feel, AKA, soul of the machine. Have not had a chance to either hear or ride a 900.

 

[SportsterDoc]

With a CVT transmission that the Rykers have...utilize the torque of the various motors rather than Horse Power.

With due respect (think you are older than me), I am not following your comment
The 600 torque is 36.7 @ 6000
The 900 torque is 58.3 @ 6500

HP = RPM * torque (at rated HP RPMs) / 5252

For the 600, HP would equal 7300 * 36.7 / 5252 = 51.01, if torque remained the same at HP rated RPMs. Since Can-Am rates the HP at 50, then it appears that torque is dropping at 7300 RPM. Solving for torque at that RPM 7300T/5252=50. T=35.97 @ 7300

For the 900, HP would equal 8000 * 58.3 / 5252 = 88.8, if torque remained the same at HP rated RPMs. Since Can-Am rates the HP at 82, then it appears that torque is dropping at 8000 RPM. Solving for torque at that RPM 8000T/5252=82. T=53.83 @ 8000

The bottom line is that although the torque curve has decreased at the HP rated RPM, the Rotax motors are using higher RPMs to gain HP.