No need to get personal. For the record, I am not a "joker". A junkie maybe. I was the risk officer for a Fortune 500 company and I do understand the risks, costs and liabilities associated with various activities, defective products, etc. I did not make excuses for BRP sending out defective products, only recognized that based on statistical probabilities, the odds are that some event other than DPS failure would be likely to kill me. I am one rider who tries to put the odds in my favor. All the gear all the time, don't ride after dark unless absolutely necessary, never drink and drive, never try to take corners fast enought to see if VSS is working, etc. I did not trivialize or say "no biggie" regarding the DPS failure. Just observed that it was another of the many factors that makes cycle riding dangerous. I did not call anyone names or say that the DPS issues wasn't real or a concern, Just observed that riding any motorcycle is dangerous and changing to another thinking that all would be well isn't the case. Like I said in another post, things are really getting bit testy here.
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Steering almost got me killed!
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No need to get personal. For the record, I am not a "joker". A junkie maybe. I was the risk officer for a Fortune 500 company and I do understand the risks, costs and liabilities associated with various activities, defective products, etc. I did not make excuses for BRP sending out defective products, only recognized that based on statistical probabilities, the odds are that some event other than DPS failure would be likely to kill me. I am one rider who tries to put the odds in my favor. All the gear all the time, don't ride after dark unless absolutely necessary, never drink and drive, never try to take corners fast enought to see if VSS is working, etc. I did not trivialize or say "no biggie" regarding the DPS failure. Just observed that it was another of the many factors that makes cycle riding dangerous. I did not call anyone names or say that the DPS issues wasn't real or a concern, Just observed that riding any motorcycle is dangerous and changing to another thinking that all would be well isn't the case. Like I said in another post, things are really getting bit testy here.
Firefly
Active member
Sounds like you should start your own 'spyderhaters' website----:roflblack:
Sorry you've had such a bad taste over these issues.
I still love my Spyder and will continue to ride it without worrying about such problems--- then again I just don't worry about much--- life is too short.
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Way2Fast
Guest
You claim to have had the steering issue....from what I read you had an issue with the GPS or Gear position Sensor. This is night and day from the total loss of control many of us are experiencing. Please correct me if I am wrong.
On another post you keep on saying that only a very few are experiencing any issues with their Spyders. How would you know? Do you have any concrete facts to back up that statement?
As I see it, in some instances failing to worry about very important issues will make life even shorter !!! :lecturef_smilie:
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Way2Fast
Guest
I now understand better where you are coming from. I'm also a rider who, like yourself, tries my best to put the odds in my favor. Sorry that I got the wrong idea from your other post.
GaryTheBadger
New member
I suggest we take a break from the guesswork, assumptions and name-calling, and instead respect Lamonster's post (about six above this one) and let him run with this issue. I for one completely trust he'll stay on top of it for us all.
As I said, I was in the risk management business and for me to ride motorcycles is a real tension between my personal and professional sides. There has never been a year where a close call of some sort hasn't had me ready to give up riding, but close calls never became actual incidents. Loss of steering might do it for me, but as I said in the original post, deer are out to get me right now. I value this site because without it I am left to my dealer 60 miles away and with the range of products he carries, he cannot be as helpful as this site is. I look to the site for help, advice and even criticisim if I say something wrong, but if my words are misconstrued, I feel obligated to explain what I meant. Thanks for reconsidering my intent.
Smylinacha
Yellinacha
I'm not a premier owner and it happened to me. I got mine right after they finished doling out the Permiers AND it didn't happen until last month.
Firefly
Active member
My steering problem was about as serious as you can get. Erratic pulling, fighting me in turns - kicking on and off--- and yes --- almost caused an accident. Same type of things as others have had --- but perhaps a different cause. You can read my very strong letter to the NHTSA on their site if you want to. About 6 or 8 of us took the time to contact them -- and the recall happened a few months later.
It's not that the issue (when it occurs) isn't serious - it's that most have not had the issue. Those that do have it - report it and get things fixed.
I just don't go out of my way to worry about things until they actually happen. I'll be educated and aware - but worrying has never done any good--- for me. I honestly don't worry about how long my life will be - it could end tomorrow and I would be perfectly happy. Sure - it would be nice for it to continue --- but I'm not about to live in a vacuum sealed safe room.
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Smylinacha
Yellinacha
I don't see me having a problem with it. After all, I was pretty good at beating up grown men back in my bartending days when I had to and I've kept myself in pretty good shape..... :2thumbs: If I can lift a grown man up against a wall while continuously kicking him in the You Know Whats, then I think I can handle a Spyder w/ no power steering.:thumbup:
3wheeldemon
New member
Between that statement, your views on Ralph Nader and your picture in the Harley trike I concluded that you are a keeper! HDX is a lucky guy!:2thumbs: nojoke
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Smylinacha
Yellinacha
Oh, he's got a pic of me on that in his album, huh? Yeah that was in Gettysburg - on our way home from the BBQ. He's the only one I can't beat up though LOL - his reflexes beat mine and I thought I was good!
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Way2Fast
Guest
Actually there are two fuses that have to do with the DPS (power steering). The one that has been mentioned is the F4 (5 amp) in the fuse box under the removable front service cover. The other is a 40 amp in the rear fuse box under the seat. Removing either of these fuses might set off error codes that will need to be reset by the dealer. Has anyone tried to just remove the front fuse? Did it set off an error code?
wyliec
New member
krb1945
New member
mommalongleg... prior to the update...
one of my 08s would be steering normal and before you could react it would dart left or right without warning. Having experienced this phenomenon first hand I can see how it could be deadly to a new rider or someone without the strength to stop the direction change or force it back after it started. We have two 08s and an 09 and only this one had this problem.
Since the update that little nuisance seems to have departed.
Any new machine, just like a computer program, has to be debugged. Even with its little quirks I still think my Spyder is a blast to drive.
one of my 08s would be steering normal and before you could react it would dart left or right without warning. Having experienced this phenomenon first hand I can see how it could be deadly to a new rider or someone without the strength to stop the direction change or force it back after it started. We have two 08s and an 09 and only this one had this problem.
Since the update that little nuisance seems to have departed.
Any new machine, just like a computer program, has to be debugged. Even with its little quirks I still think my Spyder is a blast to drive.
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Firefly
Active member
bone crusher
Alignment Specialist
I'm not believing anything unless it's filed with the NHTSA...anyone can get on here and make up a story...they're not verifiable and filing creates an issue where an investigation can take place.
This doesn't mean I'm calling anyone a liar for all of you who blindly believe everything you hear/read, this just means nothing matters unless there is verifiable proof.
Enough said...
This doesn't mean I'm calling anyone a liar for all of you who blindly believe everything you hear/read, this just means nothing matters unless there is verifiable proof.
Enough said...
Anyone can go to the NHTSA website and file a report also about anything they want......
Enough said...
0228lisa
New member
This thread scares the hell out of me. :yikes:I was a confident rider sometimes in excess of 100 miles per hour (rarely) but my speed demon manner will have to wait until these steering issues are resolved. :shocked: And please, it's my choice to rider her hard so please don't start the lectures. We all die someway but hopefully not at the hands of BRP.
Firefly
Active member
Firefly
Active member
Um---- yeah--- if they're into breaking federal laws they can.
You have to enter VIN's, personal info, etc. - and they track your IP address when you do it all.
Doubtful many people would chance doing such a thing illegally.
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