ST-L heat problems and my concerns

[Lamonster]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002YE3FS4/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

If it's that cheap don't count on them being that accurate. I know there are some good reviews on this product there are a few bad ones. This one stands out.

26 of 28 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars Not worth it January 30, 2012
By Jordan
Amazon Verified Purchase
I purchased 5 of these to use in an outdoor education program and had to return all but one. The ranges that each one gave for the same object were 25-30 degrees different from one to the next.

 

[Jeriatric]

If it's that cheap don't count on them being that accurate. I know there are some good reviews on this product there are a few bad ones. This one stands out.

Guess I got lucky. I'd give mine a 5 star too.

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[shelbydave]

OK where do I get a temp reader like that...I got an oral one...meat one...but none with laser....

After the gas cap incident, I'd probably want to take out my aggressions using a meat thermometer...:shocked::shocked:

 

[WackyDan]

Just wondering here. With heat issues being mentioned by some very experienced riders and their 2013's. Some brainstorming questions for the experts to ponder.

:ani29:: Should BRP be looking at wrapping the offending parts as part of the build process? Not everyone who lives in a hot temperature area is mechanical enough to do the heat wrapping on their own.

:ani29:: The mention of gas hot enough to boil, extra precautions being taken before even opening the gas cap to fill, and not able to fill the tank: Are we dealing with a potential dangerious fire hazard here? I surely don't want to hear about someone injured while trying to fill their gas tank.

:ani29:: IMO: This sounds like something that should be addressed sooner rather than later.



:bbq::bbq::bbq:

LTownBlue had his GS boil the tank without realizing it released the gas cap (which may have been defective) and had a geyser of hot gas spray up and all over him at the pumps. Ruined his day? Yes... Could have been far worse. And they live in the hills of NC. Seems to happen randomly and is not specific to model or outside temperature. I can say I'm pretty sure my tank has been pretty hot before, but I've never had an issue otherwise as have most others. :dontknow:

 

[Jeriatric]

Life is often not a problem, or is simply misunderstood.

Until life happens to you.

 

[twain]

@FB, I have 7485 miles on my ST. Called the shop today and have not even got bike on lift yet. Service manager said hopes to have back to me before the 4th. Don't really care as long as fixed and stops throwing codes and overheating.

 

[cjackg]

Life is often not a problem, or is simply misunderstood.

Until life happens to you.

..... Thats about as profound as anything I've heard in a while.....:thumbup:

 

[spyder3]

Just wondering here. With heat issues being mentioned by some very experienced riders and their 2013's. Some brainstorming questions for the experts to ponder.

:ani29:: Should BRP be looking at wrapping the offending parts as part of the build process? Not everyone who lives in a hot temperature area is mechanical enough to do the heat wrapping on their own.

:ani29:: The mention of gas hot enough to boil, extra precautions being taken before even opening the gas cap to fill, and not able to fill the tank: Are we dealing with a potential dangerious fire hazard here? I surely don't want to hear about someone injured while trying to fill their gas tank.

:ani29:: IMO: This sounds like something that should be addressed sooner rather than later.

:bbq::bbq::bbq:

Agreed...why should the customer have to deal with this on a new bike.....A gas cap too hot to touch along with boiling gas...it just sounds plain dangerous to me.

 

[cyclelover63]

Where are the new Spyders built?..Maybe if R&D is in a cooler climate and being built and tested in cooler climate,everything is checking good to BRP...I bet they are scrambling to figure this out,if anyone is reading this....ray:...I feel for the affected owners...This is a nightmare for them I bet!

 

[NancysToy]

Spyders are built in Quebec, Canada, but there is a test facilty in Arizona, among other places.

 

[cyclelover63]

Spyders are built in Quebec, Canada, but there is a test facilty in Arizona, among other places.

I would think Arizona would be hot enough....Its easy for me to say,because I am not experiencing what others are...But,I have faith in BRP to do the right thing....I talked to a few from the factory at the owners event,and I know they care..

 

[Sny]

Last week our ST started smoking on the right side. We weren't sure where it was coming from. The smoke was white. There weren't any problem lights or messages on the screen. After a few days the ole had gone away we got a brake failure warning. So my husband loaded the Spyder on the trailer and took it to the dealership. While unloading the Spyder from the trailer brake fluid stared squirting out. the tech said that the brake fluid cylinder had melted. We never got any warning that things were that hot! It is in the shop and we are waiting to hear what caused this.

You're not alone.

BRP will be issuing a fix for this "soon".

 

[Jeriatric]

Spyders are built in Quebec, Canada, but there is a test facilty in Arizona, among other places.

New's!!

Please enlighten us. Don't need to know where, but

what time of the year they use Arizona for testing purposes would be nice to know.

Until your post.......had only heard of lower 48 testing in Florida.

 

[Sny]

What she said goes triple for me. Scary indeed! The NHTSA should be involved here.

2600 on mine when the brake cylinder melted. 1400 on another ST I know of. 800 on a 2013 RT.

Then there's at least 2 more on the forums here (don't know mileage.)

It goes usually after a long trip. Outside temp doesn't seem to matter (mine was around 80F when it went. Previous day was 98F for 500 miles.)

When it goes, it sprays a little fluid on the exhaust which creates white smoke from the right side which smells sweet (like... burning brake fluid) eventually resulting in the Brake Failure message on the LCD and if you persist at mashing the brake pedal it'll reward you by soaking your boot in brake fluid. Yummy.

If you drive like this it'll splatter all over painted plastic pieces which will eat your paint, dissolve rubber and other nastiness. The good news is brake fluid LOVES water. Just dump some water on it and it'll wash off rather magically. Do it right away, before it eats something.

I don't know that this is related to the other heat issues. I can't see how. Under plastic air temps would have to be really extreme, like 600F+, I just can't see that being possible. It might simply be that they put the plastic bits too close to the exhaust elbow (it's about 2" away maybe?) and the plastic was purchased from the lowest bidder.

I have NO idea how in the hell this made it past testing and into production. It happens with low mileage without any special kind of riding other than longish rides. Do they not tour these things in testing?

BRP will be contacting people who have this problem to ask questions "soon". They will also be sending out something to "fix" it. They wouldn't give me more details until after their "special team" has a chance to interview more owners.

I haven't heard of anyone actually having problems stopping. I had zero brake fluid and the rear brake operated fine and I even made a panic stop and it was quite quick with just the rear brake. These Brembos on the 2013s are amazing.

But if you have a 2013, please be careful.

(Sorry to hijack the heat problems thread. I think that is also a legitimate issue that needs some addressing.)

 

[SpyderAnn01]

New's!!

Please enlighten us. Don't need to know where, but

what time of the year they use Arizona for testing purposes would be nice to know.

Until your post.......had only heard of lower 48 testing in Florida.

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They test in Chandler but I think they do it mostly in the wintertime. I think Canadians would melt if they went to AZ in the summer. :roflblack:

 

[Jeriatric]

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They test in Chandler but I think they do it mostly in the wintertime. I think Canadians would melt if they went to AZ in the summer. :roflblack:

They should.........COME ON DOWN!

 

[MidLifeCrisis]

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They test in Chandler but I think they do it mostly in the wintertime. I think Canadians would melt if they went to AZ in the summer. :roflblack:

I'd so love to see that. For more reasons than one.


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[Ga Blue Knight]

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They test in Chandler but I think they do it mostly in the wintertime. I think Canadians would melt if they went to AZ in the summer. :roflblack:

Ah here may be a contributing cause! A Canadian heat wave is anything over 65 degrees!:banghead: And take shelter if the temperature reaches the lethal 80-85 degree range!:joke:

 

[flamingobabe]

Syn....I believe the cap of brake cylinder melting is a big issue in this conversation....this weekend we will put the Spyder on the lift and check things out...we will be looking at the brake system

 

[shelbydave]

Ah here may be a contributing cause! A Canadian heat wave is anything over 65 degrees!:banghead: And take shelter if the temperature reaches the lethal 80-85 degree range!:joke:

When it gets above 75 the mosquitos are so thick you need a blood infusion after a ride:shocked::shocked: