Gray Ghost
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HD started using catalytic converters in all their bikes in 2010. Some Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, and Honda motorcycles use catalytic converters. So, yes, there are bikes in Texas and Oklahoma with catalytic converters.
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SpyderAttitude Cat Bypass - WE NEED ANOTHER VENDOR
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HD started using catalytic converters in all their bikes in 2010. Some Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, and Honda motorcycles use catalytic converters. So, yes, there are bikes in Texas and Oklahoma with catalytic converters.
there are two things that most Harley owners do when they buy a bike;
1.) Install aftermarket exhaust replacing the CAT.
2.) Install a new aftermarket seat.
murphybrown
New member
Lamont's cat bypass installed on '14
Since I know what kind of work Lamont does that is the only one I would have installed. He did and I luv it.....Lamont's "creations" are always :firstplace:.
Since I know what kind of work Lamont does that is the only one I would have installed. He did and I luv it.....Lamont's "creations" are always :firstplace:.
Motorcycledave
Active member
I am just wondering..........
I see a lot of talk here about the cat bypass pipe and am wondering
doesn't offering for sale and or installing something that is federally
mandated to be on a vehicle, car,bike or trike and subject to inspection
like here in California for smog tests ( not on motorcycles) opening
the mfg. and installer up for prosecution by the law makers?
I know I have removed the cat on some of my cars in the past but
since the BAR here in California started to lock folks up for it I don't do it
any more and besides we have a smog inspection here that is much
tougher than all the other states so they do check, my guess is it will
not be long before you will need to have the motorcycles and such inspected
as well.
Just wondering.... what others think... "some times I really dislike big brother"
Dave
I see a lot of talk here about the cat bypass pipe and am wondering
doesn't offering for sale and or installing something that is federally
mandated to be on a vehicle, car,bike or trike and subject to inspection
like here in California for smog tests ( not on motorcycles) opening
the mfg. and installer up for prosecution by the law makers?
I know I have removed the cat on some of my cars in the past but
since the BAR here in California started to lock folks up for it I don't do it
any more and besides we have a smog inspection here that is much
tougher than all the other states so they do check, my guess is it will
not be long before you will need to have the motorcycles and such inspected
as well.
Just wondering.... what others think... "some times I really dislike big brother"
Dave
PW2013STL
Active member
All they have to do is put a disclaimer on it that it is for off road use only and as long as they do not install it and see them drive away on the street the supplier is good.
KAPike
Member
I installed the the cat-bypass pipe to see if there was a difference in the heat, gas mileage and low-end torque. This is only a test. I don't know how long this test will take, but it could take a while, maybe years to come to a conclusion. This is only a test. By the way, I did retain the OEM Cat and will conclude the test upon the sale of the RT and return it to stock. This is only a test.
Bob Denman
New member
Didn't the Hindle come with one of those, "For off-Road use only" disclaimers? :dontknow:
Motorcycledave
Active member
Disclaimer ???
I am not quite sure that is the fix all on the mfg. just saying not for highway use, last year I was reading in Rider Magazine and the newspaperabout one of the major manufactures of after market exhaust systems for motorcycles being nailed for several hundred thousand dollars and having to recall all the ones that did not meet the federal regs. and refund the money
I am not quite sure that is the fix all on the mfg. just saying not for highway use, last year I was reading in Rider Magazine and the newspaperabout one of the major manufactures of after market exhaust systems for motorcycles being nailed for several hundred thousand dollars and having to recall all the ones that did not meet the federal regs. and refund the money
Motorcycledave
Active member
Disclaimer ???
I am not quite sure that is the fix all on the mfg. just saying not for highway use, last year I was reading in Rider Magazine and the newspaperabout one of the major manufactures of after market exhaust systems for motorcycles being nailed for several hundred thousand dollars and having to recall all the ones that did not meet the federal regs. and knowing they weregoing on to street bikes.
I am not quite sure that is the fix all on the mfg. just saying not for highway use, last year I was reading in Rider Magazine and the newspaperabout one of the major manufactures of after market exhaust systems for motorcycles being nailed for several hundred thousand dollars and having to recall all the ones that did not meet the federal regs. and knowing they weregoing on to street bikes.
jcthorne
Well-known member
Many of the OEM car manufacturers do exactly this. Ford Racing sells lots of exhaust systems and other performance parts that are 'for off road use only'. Been this way for many years. This way they can sell the parts. If you use them in a manner that is not in strict compliance with some obscure federal law, they are not to blame. Motorcycles are not subject to emissions inspections in any state, nor the territory known as California.
Motorcycledave
Active member
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Don't say that to loud they may be listening in California big brother can and will figure, hey lets do smog tests on bikes we can charge for it and keepthe money for our fun trips and other perks...
Don't say that to loud they may be listening in California big brother can and will figure, hey lets do smog tests on bikes we can charge for it and keepthe money for our fun trips and other perks...
Doug
New member
When I asked that question a couple of days ago, someone told me to do a search and don't waste their time, hope your shown a little more respect. Will be watching your post for the answers to that question.:thumbup:
I also have had the Spyder Attitude cat bypass and Spyder Attitude muffler installed by my dealer in the last couple of weeks. I have read these threads ever since purchasing my 2013 RTS last summer. I am not really one to comment and particularly don't care for the bickering that some contain. I am one of the individuals that has had the heat problem from day one. Went through purchasing and blocking off the radiator vents. Wrapping the stock exhaust. Having the computer updates done to make it run cooler etc.
The computer update helped in making it run cooler. Blocking the vents helped the heat on the mid leg area, and now finally the elimination of the catalytic converter has almost completely eliminated the intense burning blast of hot air coming directly on the ankle from the cat. convt. through and under the Spyder and through the hole where the brake linkage comes through the body. I can now enjoy the ride on a $28,000 vehicle that I should have always have been able to do. Be that as it may, The Spyder Attitude cat bypass and any of the others that come out all will surely help the one aspect of the overall heat issue. As far as the things said about the Spyder Attitude product I did not really have the same experience. It all went together with ease and the entire job of removing the stock exhaust and installing the replacement took less than an hour. The seams between pieces are strait and do not leak. My welds are done well and look great. The sound is exactly what I was looking for and now sounds like I always hoped and thought it should. Yeah I thought it cost too much and one bracket I think should be made out of heavier material. Other than that I am very satisfied.
The computer update helped in making it run cooler. Blocking the vents helped the heat on the mid leg area, and now finally the elimination of the catalytic converter has almost completely eliminated the intense burning blast of hot air coming directly on the ankle from the cat. convt. through and under the Spyder and through the hole where the brake linkage comes through the body. I can now enjoy the ride on a $28,000 vehicle that I should have always have been able to do. Be that as it may, The Spyder Attitude cat bypass and any of the others that come out all will surely help the one aspect of the overall heat issue. As far as the things said about the Spyder Attitude product I did not really have the same experience. It all went together with ease and the entire job of removing the stock exhaust and installing the replacement took less than an hour. The seams between pieces are strait and do not leak. My welds are done well and look great. The sound is exactly what I was looking for and now sounds like I always hoped and thought it should. Yeah I thought it cost too much and one bracket I think should be made out of heavier material. Other than that I am very satisfied.
Illinois Boy
New member
With all due respect and food for thought for those interested, here is a link to the Federal Law: http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/title2.html
You will see the Federal Law takes precedence over any state law regarding vehicle components related to Federal EPA standards of the Clean Air Act. Some may even find it interesting to note there is not a reference to "off-road-use" being an exemption to the law. While some products are sold under this guise, it does not protect the end-user from violating the law.
If you read the entire law, you will find it is very restrictive with regard to any modification of any kind to any vehicle component by anyone -- ever. Reading the sections of "Actions to Restrain..." and "Civil Penalties"; you will see the law's legal reach is quite deep, restricting virtually anyone from making modifications.
While I agree with most; enforcing the Act has not made headline news, and I have never known there to be an "enforcement task force" running around the country arresting people (yet :roflblack
; I would however pause and be sure to read the law so you have, at least, an understanding of it before moving forward on any modification related to components required to exist by Federal Law.
Here is one particular section of the law...
[h=1]42 U.S. Code § 7522 - Prohibited acts (3):
(3)
(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this subchapter prior to its sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or render inoperative any such device or element of design after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or
(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to sell, or install, any part or component intended for use with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this subchapter, and where the person knows or should know that such part or component is being offered for sale or installed for such use or put to such use.[/h]
You will see the Federal Law takes precedence over any state law regarding vehicle components related to Federal EPA standards of the Clean Air Act. Some may even find it interesting to note there is not a reference to "off-road-use" being an exemption to the law. While some products are sold under this guise, it does not protect the end-user from violating the law.
If you read the entire law, you will find it is very restrictive with regard to any modification of any kind to any vehicle component by anyone -- ever. Reading the sections of "Actions to Restrain..." and "Civil Penalties"; you will see the law's legal reach is quite deep, restricting virtually anyone from making modifications.
While I agree with most; enforcing the Act has not made headline news, and I have never known there to be an "enforcement task force" running around the country arresting people (yet :roflblack
; I would however pause and be sure to read the law so you have, at least, an understanding of it before moving forward on any modification related to components required to exist by Federal Law. Here is one particular section of the law...
[h=1]42 U.S. Code § 7522 - Prohibited acts (3):
(3)
(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this subchapter prior to its sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or render inoperative any such device or element of design after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or
(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to sell, or install, any part or component intended for use with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this subchapter, and where the person knows or should know that such part or component is being offered for sale or installed for such use or put to such use.[/h]
Omcge
New member
Poor quality cat delete
This was my experience with the Cat Bypass that I installed a couple of mo ago and this is the email I sent to the manufacturer Spyder Attitudes.
I purchased cat bypass for a 2013 Spyder RT Ltd a couple of wk ago.
and it looks like an amateur had made it.
The tubing that you used was about .06 larger than the stock ,so the dia was about .02 larger than the id of the
muffler. Being that I am a machinist I decided to make it fit rather than send it back and wait a couple of wks. since I
already had it torn down. I hand ground the tube and the muffler until it fit.
Also the flange at the muffler was only tacked and not very good at that so I rewelded it.
The two 3/8” hanger bars were mislocated by about 1/2” side to side and about 1/4” up and down,so I cut them off and
welded in place after final mounting.
I spent about an extra 6 hr reworking and making it fit.
Very poor quality and quality control :shocked:
Larry
This was my experience with the Cat Bypass that I installed a couple of mo ago and this is the email I sent to the manufacturer Spyder Attitudes.
I purchased cat bypass for a 2013 Spyder RT Ltd a couple of wk ago.
and it looks like an amateur had made it.
The tubing that you used was about .06 larger than the stock ,so the dia was about .02 larger than the id of the
muffler. Being that I am a machinist I decided to make it fit rather than send it back and wait a couple of wks. since I
already had it torn down. I hand ground the tube and the muffler until it fit.
Also the flange at the muffler was only tacked and not very good at that so I rewelded it.
The two 3/8” hanger bars were mislocated by about 1/2” side to side and about 1/4” up and down,so I cut them off and
welded in place after final mounting.
I spent about an extra 6 hr reworking and making it fit.
Very poor quality and quality control :shocked:
Larry
SNOOPY
Active member
With all due respect and food for thought for those interested, here is a link to the Federal Law: http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/title2.html
You will see the Federal Law takes precedence over any state law regarding vehicle components related to Federal EPA standards of the Clean Air Act. Some may even find it interesting to note there is not a reference to "off-road-use" being an exemption to the law. While some products are sold under this guise, it does not protect the end-user from violating the law.
If you read the entire law, you will find it is very restrictive with regard to any modification of any kind to any vehicle component by anyone -- ever. Reading the sections of "Actions to Restrain..." and "Civil Penalties"; you will see the law's legal reach is quite deep, restricting virtually anyone from making modifications.
While I agree with most; enforcing the Act has not made headline news, and I have never known there to be an "enforcement task force" running around the country arresting people (yet :roflblack
Here is one particular section of the law...
42 U.S. Code § 7522 - Prohibited acts (3):
(3)
(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this subchapter prior to its sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or render inoperative any such device or element of design after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or
(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to sell, or install, any part or component intended for use with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this subchapter, and where the person knows or should know that such part or component is being offered for sale or installed for such use or put to such use.
Personally I think these type laws are made to protect the consumer from resellers like used car lots selling unsafe vehicles.
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Illinois Boy
New member
Certainly by reading the law this is, in part, true. The fines for mechanics, car dealers, marketers of by-pass products and such are the highest. Up to $25,000 per part, not incident. In other words, two parts replaced could fetch a fine of $50,000. Where the fine for individuals is far less.
Again, I do not know of anyone who has been arrested and charged yet, so I am not losing sleep over it.
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