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Spyder Recall!
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Derek Paisley
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Way to keep ontop of things daddydarko!
Derek
Derek
daddydarko
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Called the number and left a message with BRP. My dealer wasn't yet aware either but mentioned that they (and other dealers) are already overbooked with an unusually high amount of motorcycle recalls from other vendors too.
I won't schedule a recall service until I understand more of the problem. I'm curious if the steering issue affects aftermarket bars like my Kewlmetal pullbacks since steering is totally different than the stock configuration.
opcorn:
I won't schedule a recall service until I understand more of the problem. I'm curious if the steering issue affects aftermarket bars like my Kewlmetal pullbacks since steering is totally different than the stock configuration.
opcorn:daddydarko
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My VIN number was not listed as currently qualifying for any recalls but it could be timing.
Firefly
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Manufacturer: Bombardier Recreational Products Inc.
Models affected: 2008-2009 Can-Am Spyder Roadsters
[COLOR=#ee0000 !important][COLOR=#ee0000 !important]NHTSA[/COLOR][/COLOR]
Campaign Number: 09V162000
Potential Units Affected: 9932
Problem: Bombardier is recalling 9,932 model year 2008-2009 Can-Am Spyder Roadsters. A condition may exist where the operator of an involved vehicle may need to exert a force greater than expected to initiate the turning of the steering handlebar off center in order to correct vehicle drift from a straight line path. This higher than expected steering control input torque may cause a steering angle overshoot and an unexpected deviation of the vehicle from the operator’s intended path. If this occurs, it can lead to a temporary out of lane excursion of the vehicle which increases the possibility of a crash with other traffic and or a drive off the road.
Corrective Action: [COLOR=#ee0000 !important][COLOR=#ee0000 !important]Dealers[/COLOR][/COLOR] will inspect and replace/repair the appropriate components free of charge. The manufacturer has not yet provided an owner notification schedule. Owners may contact Bombardier at 1-450-532-6107.
Gee - I wonder if this is the gear position sensor that we've seen problems with? I've already had mine replaced - but better check with the dealer to make sure.
Seems that those of us having steering problems were not crazy after all!
Models affected: 2008-2009 Can-Am Spyder Roadsters
[COLOR=#ee0000 !important][COLOR=#ee0000 !important]NHTSA[/COLOR][/COLOR]
Campaign Number: 09V162000
Potential Units Affected: 9932
Problem: Bombardier is recalling 9,932 model year 2008-2009 Can-Am Spyder Roadsters. A condition may exist where the operator of an involved vehicle may need to exert a force greater than expected to initiate the turning of the steering handlebar off center in order to correct vehicle drift from a straight line path. This higher than expected steering control input torque may cause a steering angle overshoot and an unexpected deviation of the vehicle from the operator’s intended path. If this occurs, it can lead to a temporary out of lane excursion of the vehicle which increases the possibility of a crash with other traffic and or a drive off the road.
Corrective Action: [COLOR=#ee0000 !important][COLOR=#ee0000 !important]Dealers[/COLOR][/COLOR] will inspect and replace/repair the appropriate components free of charge. The manufacturer has not yet provided an owner notification schedule. Owners may contact Bombardier at 1-450-532-6107.
Gee - I wonder if this is the gear position sensor that we've seen problems with? I've already had mine replaced - but better check with the dealer to make sure.
Seems that those of us having steering problems were not crazy after all!
ataDude
Mod Maniac
I'll bet you a $20 bill that it is. I'm also betting that the 9,000 number were those manufactured prior to the new replacement sensor release in late fall last year.
Firefly
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I guess those of us that bothered to file a report with the NHTSA actually made a difference !:yes:
Firefly
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More info!
http://nhthqnwws111.odi.nhtsa.dot.g...is/Public/Recalls/2009/V/RCAK-09V162-2920.pdf
http://nhthqnwws111.odi.nhtsa.dot.g...is/Public/Recalls/2009/V/RCAK-09V162-2920.pdf
Summary:
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]BOMBARDIER IS RECALLING 9,932 MY 2008-2009 CAN-AM SPYDER ROADSTERS. A CONDITION MAY EXIST WHERE THE OPERATOR OF AN INVOLVED VEHICLE MAY NEED TO EXERT A FORCE GREATER THAN EXPECTED TO INITIATE THE TURNING OF THE STEERING HANDLEBAR IN ORDER TO CORRECT VEHICLE DRIFT FROM A STRAIGHT LINE PATH. THIS HIGHER THAN EXPECTED STEERING CONTROL INPUT TORQUE MAY CAUSE A STEERING ANGLE OVERSHOOT AND AN UNEXPECTED DEVIATION OF THE VEHICLE FROM THE OPERATOR'S INTENDED PATH.
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Consequence:
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]IF THIS OCCURS, IT CAN LEAD TO A TEMPORARY OUT OF LANE EXCURSION OF THE VEHICLE WHICH INCREASES THE POSSIBILITY OF A CRASH WITH OTHER TRAFFIC AND OR A DRIVE OFF THE ROAD.
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Remedy:
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]DEALERS WILL RE-PROGRAM THE DYNAMIC POWER STEERING SYSTEMS TO IMPROVE THE SMOOTHNESS OF OPERATION FREE OF CHARGE. THE MANUFACTURER HAS NOT YET PROVIDED AN OWNER NOTIFICATION SCHEDULE. OWNERS MAY CONTACT BOMBARDIER AT 450-532-6107.
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Firefly
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And this too:
http://nhthqnwws111.odi.nhtsa.dot.g...s/Public/Recalls/2009/V/RCDNN-09V162-3760.pdf
A condition may exist where the operator of an involved vehicle may need to exert a force greater than expected to initiate the turning of the steering handlebar off center in order to correct vehicle drift from a straight line path. This higher than expected steering control input torque may cause a steering angle overshoot and an unexpected deviation of the vehicle from the operator's intended path. If this occurs, it can lead to a temporary out of lane excursion of the vehicle which increases the possibility of a collision with other traffic and of a drive off the road.
The condition observed is that the resistance to movement of the steering mechanism peeks at the precise moment when a movement of the steering mechanism is initiated. Immediately after the movement is initiated, the resistance reduces and steering mechanism movement responds to operator input normally.
The supplier of the Dynamic Power Steering (DPS) system is Kongsberg Inc. Supplier contact information is Mr. Marc Leclerc at 90, 28th Street Grand-Mere, province of Quebec, Canada G9T 5Z8, [FONT=Times New Roman,Times][FONT=Times New Roman,Times]1. [/FONT][/FONT]819-533-3201 extension 457.
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http://nhthqnwws111.odi.nhtsa.dot.g...s/Public/Recalls/2009/V/RCDNN-09V162-3760.pdf
A condition may exist where the operator of an involved vehicle may need to exert a force greater than expected to initiate the turning of the steering handlebar off center in order to correct vehicle drift from a straight line path. This higher than expected steering control input torque may cause a steering angle overshoot and an unexpected deviation of the vehicle from the operator's intended path. If this occurs, it can lead to a temporary out of lane excursion of the vehicle which increases the possibility of a collision with other traffic and of a drive off the road.
The condition observed is that the resistance to movement of the steering mechanism peeks at the precise moment when a movement of the steering mechanism is initiated. Immediately after the movement is initiated, the resistance reduces and steering mechanism movement responds to operator input normally.
The supplier of the Dynamic Power Steering (DPS) system is Kongsberg Inc. Supplier contact information is Mr. Marc Leclerc at 90, 28th Street Grand-Mere, province of Quebec, Canada G9T 5Z8, [FONT=Times New Roman,Times][FONT=Times New Roman,Times]1. [/FONT][/FONT]819-533-3201 extension 457.
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Firefly
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573.6 (c) (6) [FONT=Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Chronology of Events:
[/FONT][/FONT]BRP investigated 14 reports received from dealers (including warranty claims) and/or consumers with allegations of customers experiencing greater than expected resistance in the steering mechanism of their vehicle. Incidents with minor injuries such as bruises to the operator were referenced in 2 of these reports and incident with fractures to the operator were referenced in one of these reports.
Extensive investigation of two of the vehicles referenced in the abovementioned reports and their corresponding Dynamic Power Steering (DPS) system boxes allowed BRP to experience the alleged condition on these vehicles. It happened very sporadically to more than one test riders. Every time it happened, the operator was always able to overcome the increased steering control resistance and to steer the vehicle somewhat as intended.
Also, inspection of DPS boxes removed from verlicles referenced in the abovementioned reports revealed no mechanical or electrical factor contributing to increased drag in the steering mechanism. Lubricant was always present in sufficient quantity and did not show any sign of deterioration from usage. A design review by external expert in this technology confirmed that the design of the DPS was state of art for its application.
Although no mechanical or electrical factor has been identified, and because the potential consequences of this condition may surprise the operator of the vehicle and cause a less precise steering control input, BRP decided, in an abundance of caution, to conduct a voluntary safety campaign to remedy the condition.
[/FONT][/FONT]BRP investigated 14 reports received from dealers (including warranty claims) and/or consumers with allegations of customers experiencing greater than expected resistance in the steering mechanism of their vehicle. Incidents with minor injuries such as bruises to the operator were referenced in 2 of these reports and incident with fractures to the operator were referenced in one of these reports.
Extensive investigation of two of the vehicles referenced in the abovementioned reports and their corresponding Dynamic Power Steering (DPS) system boxes allowed BRP to experience the alleged condition on these vehicles. It happened very sporadically to more than one test riders. Every time it happened, the operator was always able to overcome the increased steering control resistance and to steer the vehicle somewhat as intended.
Also, inspection of DPS boxes removed from verlicles referenced in the abovementioned reports revealed no mechanical or electrical factor contributing to increased drag in the steering mechanism. Lubricant was always present in sufficient quantity and did not show any sign of deterioration from usage. A design review by external expert in this technology confirmed that the design of the DPS was state of art for its application.
Although no mechanical or electrical factor has been identified, and because the potential consequences of this condition may surprise the operator of the vehicle and cause a less precise steering control input, BRP decided, in an abundance of caution, to conduct a voluntary safety campaign to remedy the condition.
Firefly
Active member
Okay ---- last copy and paste---- I promise !!!
Remedy: [FONT=Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]The remedy is to re-program the Dynamic Power Steering (DPS) systems of involved vehicles to improve the smoothness of operation and to remedy the potential consequences that the described condition may lead to. The DPS system would be re-programmed to provide some assistance to the operator from the very initial phase of a steering control input. The amount of variance in the resistance to movement of the steering mechanism over a set threshold will be overcome by the assistance that the DPS will supply. This will increase predictability of steering control and will eliminate the potential of out of lane excursions. [/FONT][/FONT]
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The solution is to shield the operator from this variability of reaction of the steering mechanism by programming the DPS to assist the operator from the initial phase of a steering control input by overcoming this additional drag and keeping the steering control input torque required from the operator to a set threshold.
This new software patch is currently being tested and early results demonstrated the validity of the concept. Validation and reliability testing is ongoing and results will be communicated as they become available.
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Remedy: [FONT=Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]The remedy is to re-program the Dynamic Power Steering (DPS) systems of involved vehicles to improve the smoothness of operation and to remedy the potential consequences that the described condition may lead to. The DPS system would be re-programmed to provide some assistance to the operator from the very initial phase of a steering control input. The amount of variance in the resistance to movement of the steering mechanism over a set threshold will be overcome by the assistance that the DPS will supply. This will increase predictability of steering control and will eliminate the potential of out of lane excursions. [/FONT][/FONT]
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The solution is to shield the operator from this variability of reaction of the steering mechanism by programming the DPS to assist the operator from the initial phase of a steering control input by overcoming this additional drag and keeping the steering control input torque required from the operator to a set threshold.
This new software patch is currently being tested and early results demonstrated the validity of the concept. Validation and reliability testing is ongoing and results will be communicated as they become available.
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NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
Model designation is listed on the VIN# tag, seperate from the VIN#. Right front part of the swingarm.
-Scotty
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