Habib
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Did someone kill there mothers if they breast fed them? People today have got emotions and facts mixed up.
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someone should tell the two of them
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Did someone kill there mothers if they breast fed them? People today have got emotions and facts mixed up.
wyliec
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I understand Peteoz and Boiler; but, what is it that you are trying to say? Are you saying those two girls don't have a clue? If you are, that's funny.
Bob Denman
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The Naugas have evolved into something called "Leatherette". 
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Soy What? :roflblack::roflblack:
Fatcycledaddy
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There are over 47,000 dairy farms in the USA and you even had to include articles about Mexico farm to come up with 7 examples of animals being abused.
Think about it, the cow is a cost to the farmer, if that cow is abused it cuts its production, this causes the farmer to lose money.
It is rarely if ever the actual farmer that abuses the animal, he knows what the cost is. It is normally some lowlife worker who has no appreciation for his job, the very animal that is paying his wadges, or the farmer.
If we want to go down this road, where do we stop. The article in the link below tells of how plants have feelings and responses to input like they have a brain. So is pulling an ear of corn of the stalk like ripping an arm off, picking tomatoes like plucking out eyes?
http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-...may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants
I do not uphold the abuse of anyone or anything, those people abusing those animals should be punished, however DO NOT lump all dairy farms into that group. You would be doing a major injustice to some great people.
wyliec
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I don't see where anyone lumped all dairy farmers into one bucket of abuse. The listing of videos was a counterpoint to assuming the young ladies in the original post had no clue of what they were protesting.
Bob Denman
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Perhaps WE'RE the ones, who have no idea of what they are protesting... :dontknow:
(But I do think that protesting the slaughter of livestock in the dairy section seems rather... misplaced!)
BoilerAnimal
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I was the one who posted the links to abuse of cows. As to including videos from other countries, there are many videos from the US and Canada, as well as, Mexico. I just picked a few of the first of many.
Abuse is not confined to the traditional interpretation of the word. It is also understood to include deprivation of a good quality of life. Being fed and housed in the common fashion of modern factory farms is considered abuse by many. It doesn't matter whether the goal is rapid growth for slaughter or confinement for egg or milk production and is not limited to a specific species.
As was noted by wyliec, I did not lump all farmers into the same group as the abusers. I grew up on a farm where we raised cows, hogs and chickens. I also live in a farming community. I have seen first hand the changes that have taken place and that are often times purported to be the only viable method of production.
Hog confinements are getting to be a serious problem in Illinois and surrounding states due to the air and water pollution, which is not limited to smell alone. They are harmful and detrimental to the lives of people who live in the vicinity and up to 5 or more miles away.
We have one of the largest suppliers of beef to McDonalds living here. The cattle are raised on thousands of acres of reclaimed strip mine land in a method that is commonly referred to as free range. The cattle are not confined to a pen or very small area for the entirety of their lives but are allowed contact with other cattle and are free to walk around at will as they graze. This much more closely follows long held conventions of humane treatment of farm animals.
As I said in an earlier post, there is very little that is considered humane treatment for the animals from their point of view in a modern factory farm.
Peteoz
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Yeah....that was my point, Bob.......all these life experienced people commenting here on how stupid these two girls are, who they would vote for in the upcoming election, what their education is etc, without bothering to see what's behind it........and when you see what's behind it, you can see where they are coming from........I can't say you would get ME protesting in front of the milk stand, but I'm certainly not going to jump to the conclusion they are stupid simply because someone who has done NO homework on either them or their cause, says they are
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BoilerAnimal
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I fail to understand the belief that they are protesting the slaughter of cows. Maybe, just maybe, it is directed at the quality of life that the cows are subject to.
Bob Denman
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wyliec
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Here's what really happened.
After watching the actual video, all I can think is....actually, I don't know what to think. Let me get back to you on that.
Bob Denman
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:shocked: Wow... They're even dumber than I feared.
IdahoMtnSpyder
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OK, I think what they are protesting is the fact that the day following birth a dairy calf is taken from its mother and transferred to a dairy calf raising facility. Is this violence? In one sense it is in that the natural relationship between a cow and calf is severed right after birth. But there is nothing at all physically violent about it. The milk from the cow for several days after giving birth is not put into the milk stream but is kept separate and is used to feed the newborn calves for a few days. At what point the male and female calves are separated I don't know. My neighbor operates a dairy calf raising facility where the female calves are fed, nutritionally cared for, and eventually bred. They then go back to the dairy where they become milk producers after their first calf is born.
I'm sure most of the male calves go into the beef production part of the business. That's where the non-productive females end up also.
In the beef side of the business calves stay with their mothers for several weeks until they are weaned, and then are separated and moved into other facilities. The cows do moo and bawl for a couple of days when that is done, but they get over it.
I'm sure most of the male calves go into the beef production part of the business. That's where the non-productive females end up also.
In the beef side of the business calves stay with their mothers for several weeks until they are weaned, and then are separated and moved into other facilities. The cows do moo and bawl for a couple of days when that is done, but they get over it.
Bob Denman
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If those two nit-wits need a life: they can have some of mine! Apparently; I've already used up my allotment, and have some left over!
BoilerAnimal
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Properly phrased and based on the photo, I should have said: I don't believe they are protesting the slaughter of cows, I believe it's directed at the quality of life that the cows are sometimes subject to.
After watching the video I think they should just stay home. The photo had a plausible basis for discussion. The video destroyed that.
Peteoz
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Hahaha......can't argue with that, Bob:yikes:
Peteoz
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........and the manager was trying to stop the filming! I would have let it go just to destroy ANY credibility they had.
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