It seems every forum and facebook page is full of problems and complaints on the Spyders. Any owners who have had no problems with their machines?I had a 2023 F3 that I bought used with 92 miles and it developed a water pump leak at 500 miles. Now I have a 2024 F3S which I just purchased new and I hope to have no problems with this one.
It's good to hear some positive on these machines.Thank you for the replies
You've gotta remember Pantera, that there's something well over 110,000 of these 'Spyder' things out there now, and we might have just a smidge over 6,000 of their owners here as currently active members, so
maybe this Forum represents as high a proportion of owners as 1 Spyder owner out of every 18 or so (btw, we've got over 130,000 threads and more than 1.5 million posts... more on that later.

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BUT, the important thing to realise & remember is that many of the members on this Forum & any others
DO tend to post somewhat more about the problems they have than they do about the good things, cos they simply want resolution &/or a solution, so they ask - after all, that's
at least partly why Forums exist, isn't it?? :dontknow:
Statistically, before the Internet came along and made it easier to access millions of people with one post, and back when it was vaguely possible to work this sorta thing out, the statisticians of the World pretty much agreed that generally, people would tell
FIFTEEN others about a problem for every
ONE person they told about a good thing!! :shocked: So do you think Forum members are still making 15 posts about every problem they have vs only making 1 for every good thing about their Spyders?? :dontknow: I have no idea... But I am pretty sure that many with problems/issues
DO post more than once, and that every '
I've got a problem' post they put up reaches
a helluva lot more than 15 people once it's posted on the Internet!!
Still, I really doubt that all of the 6,000+ currently active members (ie joined &/or posted within the last 12 months) that we have actually came here & joined simply to tell us about their Spyder problems & seek a resolution - there's quite a few here who are looking to buy and asking questions; others asking about what oil to use, or what tires to run, or what pressure they should run those tires at; and many others like that... Just have a look at the threads, there's a pretty significant proportion of the 130,000+ threads on the boards here that are simply
USAGE questions,
and NOT asking about how to resolve problems or making complaints! So extrapolating that out into the 'Rest of the World', even if we
might have (
maybe!! 
) as many as 1 member here for every 18 odd Spyders ever sold, I'd say it only takes a vaguely educated guess to say that maybe only a half of our members have ever actively chased a problem or actively voiced a complaint, putting the number of those doing so here
maybe as high as 1 out of every 36 Spyders sold...
which suggests that... (albeit knowingly not considering those who may have had problems but aren't members here...

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possibly as many as 35 out of every 36 Spyders ever sold HAVE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE!!
- or at least, if those Spyders
have had a problem, their owner has never complained about it here!!

nojoke
But personally, I reckon the number of Spyder Owners in the real World who've never had a
REAL issue is likely even higher, cos I know that
I grumble about the stupid things that BRP
COULD fairly easily fix, but not only haven't they, they haven't done so despite people complaining about them for a long time - in many cases, over a decade!! Look at the Kenda tires; the inaccurate if not dodgy fuel gauges & low fuel warning lights; the number of ACS failures; the ACP fiasco; and that's just a few off the top of my head, we all know that there's more - and sure, they're bloody annoying things and it's a right pain that BRP just keeps on treating their customers like ignorant cash cows wrt things like this; but generally, while we might grumble about it every now & then, we pretty much just work around it and ride on! And I'm pretty sure that, despite voicing my issues/concerns occasionally, there's more'n just me who do that too!

hyea:
So I reckon that it'd be
a gross over-reaction to consider or even think that ALL Spyders are problem prone & not reliable on the basis of the reports or posts/threads in Forums
OR anywhere else - even the various Consumer Reports & Stats, cos
NONE of those take into account '
the Silent Majority' who just get on and enjoy their machines without ever complaining; nor do they consider the significant proportion of the population who simply
DO NOT DO social media
in any form; and neither do any of the various fora, surveys, &/or reports make any adjustments/allowances for the statistically significant impact of the '
I've got a problem so I'm gonna tell EVERYONE' nature of the humman animal, and that applies
especially when you consider the vast reach of the internet, but still take into account how
limited its reach may be...
Just Sayin' :thumbup: