so i pulled another one

[JerryB]

Hi Bob,

Re: would you admit that there are :cus:-heads scattered throughout ALL groups of people?

Absolutely; however IMO the problem with the **** heads, it is getting them out of the system.

For those wanting some additional information, you might read this article: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...n-aren-t-convicted-using-lethal-force-n619961

I like the police, I just do not like the Blue Wall.

It is sort of like my kids when they were young and doing stuff their Mom & I did not like; we still loved them, we just did not like what they were doing.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[Cruzr Joe]

Hi Bob,

Re: would you admit that there are :cus:-heads scattered throughout ALL groups of people?

Absolutely; however IMO the problem with the **** heads, it is getting them out of the system.

For those wanting some additional information, you might read this article: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...n-aren-t-convicted-using-lethal-force-n619961

I like the police, I just do not like the Blue Wall.

It is sort of like my kids when they were young and doing stuff their Mom & I did not like; we still loved them, we just did not like what they were doing.

Jerry Baumchen

Jerry

You are correct, getting rid of City, State & Government employees is hard, I am a retired Police Chief and when i had a rouge cop in my Department it took an act of Congress to get them out after they served their one year probation. Sometime until they actually do something stupid (like the cop who shot the Social Worker trying to help the Autistic man in the street), the Unions and Courts will fight you tooth and nail. We need some reform laws or common sense Courts to fix this.

Cruzr Joe

 

[JerryB]

Hi Joe,

Re: We need some reform laws or common sense Courts to fix this.

For many, many years now I have been a strong advocate of de-certifying the police unions.

This IMO should be the first step.

And I will say this again: I like the police; I do not want to imagine a world without them.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[cuznjohn]

why can't people just read a post and forget the rest

 

[Bob Denman]

John, You hit a nerve with the deleted thread...
It has provoked some VERY interesting conversation! :2thumbs:
Thanks!

 

[Peter Aawen]

At the risk of prolonging the agony for those who don't want to discuss it further....

I've seen & treated quite a few burns from hot asphalt & many other hot surfaces over the years - apart from one small burn on his foot, the burns & injuries that I've seen in the videos do NOT appear to be burns & injuries from hot asphalt. And I have seen and treated quite a few injuries resulting from people walking &/or lying on almost melting hot asphalt (I know it can get hot enough to burn, & burn badly!!) but the majority of those shown just didn't look any of those I've seen & treated before, not even days after the original burn!! Excluding the one small burn on his foot, the very nature of all the rest of the burns & injures shown is just not consistent in my experience with coming from a hot road surface!! I've also seen & treated 'self-inflicted' burns, many of a very similar nature to those shown.... :shocked:

Because of that, I went back & watched the vids carefully, trying to match the shown injuries with the events & the way that person was being restrained - and once again, in my experience the burns & injuries shown do NOT appear to have been from him being held on the ground or from the hot asphalt!! They just don't match up - the parts of his body he shows burnt or injured aren't the parts of his body that come into contact with the ground in a manner or for long enough to create the burns & injuries the vids show.....

At a guess, based upon my experience & what I've been able to see from the publicly available vids etc, I'd suggest that the person used a hot iron &/or other similar methods to 'manufacture' burns on his body & hands (sorry, on just the one hand - it's very hard to burn both of your own hands when you are holding the burning device in one hand, & then the other hand is burnt so you can't just swap hands!!) so that he could 'claim' he was brutalised; but as others have said, we weren't there; we haven't seen it all; we don't & won't get to see all the evidence presented; etc, so I really don't know & can only offer an opinion based upon my experience & observations.

All I can say with certainty is that I sincerely hope the arresting cop got that person carefully checked over for injuries by the Custody Officer & a Doctor, with pictures taken of all & any scratches, burns, or even just red marks on his skin; cos for the life of me I can't see how the injuries shown on the later vids came from the incident we saw on the original vid!! :shocked:

 

[Cruzr Joe]

why can't people just read a post and forget the rest

Because when we read a post we want to comment on it. No fun reading and then keeping our big mouths shut.

Besides if we failed to comment, you would not post anymore, because you would not know if we read it.

Cruzr Joe