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so are you ready for pricing

lemon law

Sarge707 said:
You "Torturing" Yourself Mentally and Physically with this "Heat Infested Monster?" :yikes:
If you did the Lemon Law and documented you would have been "Well" on your way to a Nice agreeable settlement that would bring you a sense of Pride and Justice??? nojoke
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here in ny it has to be a total of 4 times with the same problem or a loss of 30 days total for the issue. i have not met that. each time it has been in was for a different problem so i am keeping paper work.
 
Easy...
They certainly have made enough changes to the 2014 bikes to reduce the value of any prior model year version... :shocked:
It sucks; but it is what it is... Product Improvement...
They're offering the HUGE rebates on existing stock because they now have to give a MAJOR reason for somebody to want to buy last year's bike.
The new engine, transmission, clutching system, electrical and cooling systems... ALL are major improvements! :thumbup:
They just come at a price to current owners... :helpsmilie:
 
The 2013's are killing the market for all of us, not only because of the reputation they have, but BRP discounting them 6k. So, as SA said, blaming BRP isn't out of line. A bad product(reputation) and huge discounts as a result is there doing 100%. It is what it is.
 
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Bob Denman said:
Easy...
They certainly have made enough changes to the 2014 bikes to reduce the value of any prior model year version... :shocked:
It sucks; but it is what it is... Product Improvement...
They're offering the HUGE rebates on existing stock because they now have to give a MAJOR reason for somebody to want to buy last year's bike.
The new engine, transmission, clutching system, electrical and cooling systems... ALL are major improvements! :thumbup:
They just come at a price to current owners... :helpsmilie:
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i thought you were referring to fixing the 2013's.
 
All I can add here is a big WOW! Pretty much what everyone says is right on the money. (Pardon the pun). The issues with the 2013 have made the market what it is today, and that is what is causing the "extraordinary" (used in the accounting way--meaning happens rarely and material in nature) low prices of trade in's on 2013's. The addition of the 2014 improvements on the heels of the 2013 issues just adds fuel to the fire.

It is definately a "dealers market" and they have the opportunity to do well if they run into a customer who is unhappy with a 2013 and really, really wants a 2014. It also impacts deals on older year model trade ins.

Based on what I am reading, what I was offered in trade for my 2010 with 35K miles, on a new 2014 is sounding better every day.
 
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Fixing them is a "sort of" related, but actually separate issue (or problem!). The more that I think about them; the more that I think that BRP was testing the current frame with the new triple, and NOT with the 991 Vee Twin (At least; not as much as they should have).
It's going to take an approach from several different angles to sort it all out... :shocked: I honestly think that the owners in here have already got a lot of solutions that are workable; putting them together might just be the "hot" ticket! :thumbup:
 
akspyderman said:
All I can add here is a big WOW! Pretty much what everyone says is right on the money. (Pardon the pun). The issues with the 2013 have made the market what it is today, and that is what is causing the "extraordinary" (used in the accounting way--meaning happens rarely and material in nature) low prices of trade in's on 2013's. The addition of the 2014 improvements on the heels of the 2013 issues just adds fuel to the fire.

It is definately a "dealers market" and they have the opportunity to do well if they run into a customer who is unhappy with a 2013 and really, really wants a 2014. It also impacts deals on older year model trade ins.

Based on what I am reading, the $15K that I was offered in trade for my 2010 with 35K miles, on a new 2014 is sounding better every day.
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Id jump on that deal before they change their mind
 
This is why i love buying used.

I could never afford the type of hit that new vehicles have. Used has its risks, but you can mitigate them with a bit of homework and research.

Bought a used Porsche for 44g's and sold it for 42 after two years and 25k miles of fun.

Bought a used Lexus, bought it for 26k, have put over 70k miles and 7 years later i can sell it easily for 12k if i had to get rid of it.

Bought the spyder used, for under 10k with 3500 miles. if i sell it after 3 years for even 4 or 5k... ill be happy.

i feel bad for the guys with the 10k losses on their spyders. But at least you arent fairing as bad as the 7 series and S class and Range Rover crowds, they buy new, loose 30 to 40g's in 2 years which is like 33% of the value of their cars. :shocked:. More power to them, but ill be happy to pick up somebody elses left overs for these type of savings. And the day i can afford to take a hit, maybe ill buy the new ones.

just my 2 cents.


fas
 
Well... The owners of 2013 RTs really have a couple of choices:
Dump the bike at a huge loss
Continue to ride it when you can
fix it at great personal effort and/or expense
THEN, dump it or ride it...
:dontknow::dontknow::dontknow::dontknow:
 
cuznjohn said:
and they are now selling 13's rt limited for 22.9k
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Yea but that's not out the door right? Dealer prep can add 2K easily.

I could have picked up a 2012 Lava Bronze Limited with 622 trailer here in San Diego for $24K with only 200 miles on it! The user did not trust the bike anymore (he limped home many times) and my wife did not want me to buy a lemon since his was in the shop all the time (DPS and other codes). I really wanted that bike but the wife thought I was buying his problems so that did not happen. He told me personally he paid 34K out the door so he was willing to take a 10K loss in less than 1 year!

Anyway, Even though prices are coming down, it's still a game! I bet I could sell my 2011 with 3K miles on it for more than I paid if I waited for the right buyer.

Bob
 
Bob Denman said:
Well... The owners of 2013 RTs really have a couple of choices:
Dump the bike at a huge loss
Continue to ride it when you can
fix it at great personal effort and/or expense
THEN, dump it or ride it...
:dontknow::dontknow::dontknow::dontknow:
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You know what Bob....... When I was researching spyders even before the 2013 problems showed up, People were reporting heat problems on 10's, 11's, and 12's.... I am MORE THAN HAPPY with my 2011 and you will find (back then) even people like jerbear complaining of hot foots etc!

I would love now to ride a 2013 and see if it is really that big a deal!

ANYONE in the Socal area want to trade for a week? If we like each others it could become permanent!
I am willing!
I think some of this is perceived honestly and there has to be more people out there riding 2013's that are very happy! Of course the recalls have to be done that's for sure.
But I would not mind seeing for myself how much hotter the 13's are over my 11. It just cant be that bad?

Ann had hers burn up.... But had it not, I never heard her complain of more heat over the previous year she had (at least not here on SL). Yes she complained of service issues other than heat, but I would like to hear from her if she actually noticed a big difference in heat!

Ann?

Bob
 
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finless said:
OK I do have to agree... prices are dropping fast. I look on Ebay at least once a week for spyder deals.
Just picked up a RT trailer hitch for all of $113 new in the box!

Anyway I could NOT TOUCH a new 2012 RT-S SE5 last June for less than $24K out the door (including dealer prep).
Now I am seeing things like this.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Can-Am-Spyd...c3861439c&item=121204982684&pt=US_motorcycles


Bob
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I do believe that particular bike has been for sale for at least one month. I've been lurking for a while.
 
Heat Comments

With all the negative posts related to heat issues, the value of 2013's will be impacted negatively. I have no heat problems so don't really like to see these day after day. I understand its a problem for some, but complaining here isn't going to get the problem fixed, and only reduces our trade in or out right sale value.

Everybody has to do what they want to do, but I'm just stating the simple fact....
 
Chupaca said:
this is not the time....latest is Late December on the 14's..I would hang in there you only lose if you bail to soon...!! :gaah:
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I went to my can-am dealer in Vermont, the dealer said that the 14's wont show-up until Feb. Also, the can-am dealer said that they will place their order for the 14's end of Oct. (last month). Deanna777
 
cuznjohn said:
so i go to the dealer today and just wanted to get a trade in price, but he was busy and asked me to hang around a lil so i did. he asked what i was looking for and what i wanted for my bike, so i hit him with what i thought was a good number and i said 20k. he goes on the computer and show's me his web site and he has 4 2013 rt limited's going for 22.9k. than he told me that can am flooded the dealers with 2013's at a price the could not pass up so they took them. he said you ready to lay down a deposit and i said get me my number and i will sign the papers right now, he gives me a price of a rt sm6 or whatever it is for 28k striped. than he leaves the table to talk to his boss. when he comes back he tells me that they would give me 15k for my bike and i laughed. i shook his hand and say goodby.

htey also have no idea when the 14's are coming out and did not hear anything about being delayed. but 15 k are they serious
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I went to my can-am dealership in Vermont last month, and they said that the trade- in value for my 2012 RT-S SE5 would be $15,000.00, and if I did a private sale to start @ $17,000.00 ( I have low mileage) I have all winter to think about if I want to trade mind for a 2014' RT S SE6. The 2014's wont show up until Feb. Deanna777
 
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