Significant Lag/Delay during hard acceleration between 1st and 2nd

[manttila]

OK, I did some searching but unless I missed it I can find nothing specific. Dealer has been great but my first impressions of BRP is lacking.

It is a 2012 RT Limited that I purchased last November with 750 miles. I have put on about 800 miles since then but have been careful if I am in a situation where hard accelleration is needed.

Maybe some fellow members can help with some suggestions. The dealer has confirmed multiple times that this is a real issue and not my imagination! Anyone else out there run into a similar issue with their Spyder?

First thing in the morning when I leave if I try some hard accelleration there is about a 1-2 second lag/delay between 1st and 2nd to the point that it is a safety issue. RPM's basically drop completely then kick in. It is less likely to do it once it is warmed up. It has happened in other gears but not as severe.

It has been in the dealer 3 times 3/4, 3/29 and now since 4/8. It never went away regardless of the changes they made. My apologies for not knowing the exact terms on what they changed since it is all related to the automatic shifting mechanism. So basically i have had the bike on the road for 70% of the time. Luckily I have a Goldwing and Silverwing that I can depend on.

I have also opened a case# with BRP that was pushed up to a supervisor. Out of curiosity how long does it take for the BRP supervisor to get back to you? Great customer service to at least confirm that I have an issues would be 24 hours. I still have not heard anything.

Any help would be appreciated because I do like the bike but still getting used to it.

 

[billybovine]

You are rolling on more throttle during the shift. It will then take a stupid long time to feather in the clutch. This is usually caused because you have not broke the habit of backing off the throttle before the shift like you would do on a manual. If you concentrate for a while on keeping the throttle steady during the shift process that problem will go away.

 

[Bob Denman]

Have you checked the oil level? Thee bikes can get pretty cranky if they're about six drops low... :shocked:
And the condition often manifests itself in the shifting first!

 

[Jeriatric]

Rev it up!

Temp gauge should be at 3 bars (digital) or above the quarter mark (analog) before starting off.

When shiffting up, your RPM's should be no lower than 5K......and, it is likely you will find the smoothest up shifting with the SE5....between 5500 and 6000 RPM.

If you are short shifting(at too low an RPM....throttle held steady or not). The shifts will be poor at best, and you will be putting undue stress on the centrifugal clutch system.

Like wise, downshifting the SE5 is best done somewhere between 3700 and 4000 RPM's under normal riding conditions.

 

[tigerdr]

Low oil level?

 

[Chupaca]

Have to agree..!!

we may be off when trying to tell you how to ryde but the unlearning and learning process is tricky. With the semi auto (se5) its like driving your car. You hold the gas like your car except you have to hit the paddle hence semi automatic. Coming from manual this is tough. The rpms is the other. These are high rpm motors and staying at low rpms makes for tough shifting and slipping the clutch. I for one never use 5th till over 70 mph and cruise at 6,000 rpms = 85mph in 5th. If we are close or you have doubts have a tech who owns one ryde with you and see what he thinks...good luck..!!:dontknow:

 

[Dan_Ashley]

I had all the problems the previous posters identified. Once I fixed me, the problems fixed themselves. This machine is incredible, but it is unlike any two wheeler I've been on. Give it 500 miles and try to remember what the previous posters said, and you will have a better experience.

also at freeway speeds, relax your grip on the handlebars.

 

[manttila]

Dealer has same issue

Keep in mind the dealer has sensed the same significant issue so it is beyond the normal shifting transition from a clutch.

They now think it is a possible ground issue that they may have found tonight. Will try the bike first thing in the morning to see if it does the same thing.

Thanks for all of the pointers.

 

[Dan_Ashley]

Keep in mind the dealer has sensed the same significant issue so it is beyond the normal shifting transition from a clutch.

They now think it is a possible ground issue that they may have found tonight. Will try the bike first thing in the morning to see if it does the same thing.

Thanks for all of the pointers.

Oh good. I'm glad the dealer found a problem.

 

[jwulf74]

I have experienced the same thing on mine, but it only happens when I don't get it a little warm first. As long as I get it a little warm, it shifts very smoothly from 1st to 2nd.

 

[manttila]

Warmup

I also agree the warmup may help but it does not make sense to me that you should have to do that.

I should hear back from the dealer and BRP on Tuesday to find out if they have corrected the problem.

 

[manttila]

Still no Fix for delay in shifting

The dealer is working closely with BRP and up to now with no success. This is an out of the normal shifting issue that the dealer had never seen before. I talked to BRP and told them I sense that they are throwing things against the wall and hoping it sticks.

I asked them to give me a list of what they plan on doing if it is still not fixed by Thursday. I want to understand what they have done and what they plan on doing. There has to be some method to the madness on getting my spyder fixed!

 

[manttila]

HELP!!

Is there any place the the RT SE5 written manual that says you must let the bike warm up prior to riding it?

 

[Magdave]

Is there any place the the RT SE5 written manual that says you must let the bike warm up prior to riding it?

No and you do not have to wait. That is throwing stuff at the wall. Other than a 30 sec warm up to circulate the oil while easing out of my driveway I take off and go and never had a shift problem like yours.:thumbup:

 

[DrewNJ]

So, you just start it up and go flogging it right on down the road?.....Nice!

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[Magdave]

So, you just start it up and go flogging it right on down the road?.....Nice!

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Yep although the speed limit in my subdivision is 25mph to the entrance that is 1 mi. from my house. Then it is hammer down at 45mph on the road into town, more like 50mph.

 

[GregP]

2011 SE5 RTS shift abrupt fadeout.

Same problem here. Usually when engine is warming up during the first 5 minutes of operation, ie leaving the end of the driveway and entering traffic on the main road, as I give full throttle, the engine RPMs will suddenly drop out to near stall :shocked:, then slowly speed up to normal over a one, two or three second period ray:. It happens so infrequently that it catches me off guard each time. I will start the RT and leave the house the same way and in the same weather conditions ten or twelve times or more in a row, then the next time, it happens again with no warning. The sudden deceleration has caused me to pitch forward almost into the top of the windshield. No remedy so far !!! Have a new Black 2014 RTS SE6 sitting in a crate at my dealer waiting for me to give the order to assemble it. Hopefully, that will fix my acceleration problem!

 

[Magdave]

Same problem here. Usually when engine is warming up during the first 5 minutes of operation, ie leaving the end of the driveway and entering traffic on the main road, as I give full throttle, the engine RPMs will suddenly drop out to near stall :shocked:, then slowly speed up to normal over a one, two or three second period ray:. It happens so infrequently that it catches me off guard each time. I will start the RT and leave the house the same way and in the same weather conditions ten or twelve times or more in a row, then the next time, it happens again with no warning. The sudden deceleration has caused me to pitch forward almost into the top of the windshield. No remedy so far !!! Have a new Black 2014 RTS SE6 sitting in a crate at my dealer waiting for me to give the order to assemble it. Hopefully, that will fix my acceleration problem!

Now that could be a different thing and has been mentioned before. When turning onto a main road and accelerating I HAVE had an occasional bog although not during shifting just acceleration. I have read some threads on this happening. My occurrence has not been that severe(near stall) but I have learned to ease onto the road before dropping the hammer. Never had a bog doing it that way. Yes it was infrequent . I believe it was the nanny seeing the difference between the front wheel rpms causing it.

 

[DrewNJ]

BOOM!.... . I honestly cannot say I would EVER recommend riding like that on a cold drive train.
But, have fun I guess....

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[Bob Denman]

Now that we've let "Jack", lead us down the Merry Path ; have we found out what the problem was yet? :dontknow: