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Shifting problem - SE6 won't select N without using R button! Ideas?

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GaryBlevins

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Hi Folks,
I hope someone can help with a shifting problem that has developed. I have a 2018 Spyder RT LTD, SE6 version. Just recently I am not able to shift into reverse from neutral. When I start the machine it goes into neutral and I can shift to 1 and then up to 6 as I ride. No problems upshifting or riding. However. When I stop I cannot shift from 1 into Neutral or Reverse. I am using the R button on top when trying to go into reverse. It will not shift to N from 1 without the R button being pushed either. I am thinking that it is the Multi-Function switch or the Reverse actuator. Any way for a layman to trouble shoot to see what might be going on? Isn't there supposed to be an LED light on the top of the Reverse button to show when you hit it? I do not see a light coming on.

I have checked the fluid level, it looks ok.

Thanks,
Semper Fi
Gary Blevins
 
There is no light on the R button. Press and hold the R button, then press the downshift paddle. If that doesnt work, are you able to downshift manually when riding? If not, then your paddle shifter is most likely bad and requres repacement of the left hand comtrols.
 
Maybe this?

When I start the machine it goes into neutral
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Do you leave the transmission in gear when you turn off the ignition?

When I stop I cannot shift from 1 into Neutral or Reverse.
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This is the new symptom -- correct?

If you are pushing the shift paddle without any change in the console display (N or R), the left hand control is probably the problem. There's a good possibility cleaning will fix the problem but I have no experience with that.

If you are pushing the shift paddle and are hearing noise from the gearbox solenoids, then a linkage adjustment or lubrication may be needed.
 
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Joel The Biker said:
There is no light on the R button. Press and hold the R button, then press the downshift paddle. If that doesnt work, are you able to downshift manually when riding? If not, then your paddle shifter is most likely bad and requres repacement of the left hand comtrols.
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:agree: .... The "R" button must be depressed and held down then use the down paddle ..... use two hands to do this ..... Mike :thumbup:
 
And, make sure you are putting your foot on the brake. If memory is correct, the brakes need to be on before the bike will go to reverse. A good cleaning of the micro-switches involved should help too. Good luck...... Jim
 
canamjhb said:
And, make sure you are putting your foot on the brake. If memory is correct, the brakes need to be on before the bike will go to reverse. A good cleaning of the micro-switches involved should help too. Good luck...... Jim
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For some strange reason BRP made sure that going from neutral to first required the use of the brake pedal. Going from first or neutral into reverse does not, only that the Spyder not be moving.
 
Need a little Help

:coffee: Welcome to the Spyder Forum.
Need a little more information about your Spyder problem.
First off, have you tried the tips that have been presented.
Did anything change for you?
Is this something new or has this been happening off and on?
Please Help us out so someone can help you with this issue. .......:thumbup:
 
Have you tried manually downshifting while riding and did it work.

There was a service bulletin in 2018-2019 about the shifting paddle going bad on the 2018's and it had to be replaced, that problem mostly affected downshifting. Sorry for the poor quality of the poster.
 

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Thanks for the help. I am applying the brake when I try to shift into R. I am pushing the R button and using the downshift paddle, but it is not shifting into R. This is a new problem. I have not tried to manually downshift, but I will give it a try today.
 
Do you have any extended warranty left? If so, have the dealer replace the left hand switch module. If you're not aware, the shift signal from the switch to the transmission control module is a digital signal. The left hand module is a processor connected to the Canbus so most likely it is not sending the proper signal. The switches on the printed circuit board are bubble switches which means they are very difficult, if not impossible, to fix.
 
18s had a switch problem as ottawa said. Mine needed replacing after 1000mi. As stated if you can't downshift manually at all it's the whole left assmbly.
 
Thanks for your help. I just dropped it off at my dealer. They are closed today, so I will not have word from them till Tues. or Wed. I was able to drive over fine, it would manually upshift and auto downshift, but it will not manually downshift. As several folks have suggested I am pretty sure that it is the left Multi-Function switch. It is out of warranty, but if it is a known defect is there a chance that Can-Am/BRP would replace the switch for me?
 
GaryBlevins said:
Thanks for your help. I just dropped it off at my dealer. They are closed today, so I will not have word from them till Tues. or Wed. I was able to drive over fine, it would manually upshift and auto downshift, but it will not manually downshift. As several folks have suggested I am pretty sure that it is the left Multi-Function switch. It is out of warranty, but if it is a known defect is there a chance that Can-Am/BRP would replace the switch for me?
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The next question will be is there one in stock anywhere? You may end up going to eBay or a motorcycle salvage yard to find one.
 
GaryBlevins said:
Hi Folks,
I hope someone can help with a shifting problem that has developed. I have a 2018 Spyder RT LTD, SE6 version. Just recently I am not able to shift into reverse from neutral. When I start the machine it goes into neutral and I can shift to 1 and then up to 6 as I ride. No problems upshifting or riding. However. When I stop I cannot shift from 1 into Neutral or Reverse. I am using the R button on top when trying to go into reverse. It will not shift to N from 1 without the R button being pushed either. I am thinking that it is the Multi-Function switch or the Reverse actuator. Any way for a layman to trouble shoot to see what might be going on? Isn't there supposed to be an LED light on the top of the Reverse button to show when you hit it? I do not see a light coming on.

I have checked the fluid level, it looks ok.

Thanks,
Semper Fi
Gary Blevins
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The good news, if you can call it that, is you’re not alone. I am having the exact same problem. Bike will not shift into Reverse. Bike will not shift into Neutral unless I turn the engine off and restart it. Bike will not allow me to manually downshift, though it does automatically downshift on its own. The problem was traced to a faulty Left Hand Switch Cluster.

Replacement was covered under my warranty, so there is not going to be any out of pocket expense for me. Now for the bad news. According to my dealership, that particular part is on back order, and BRP was not expecting to “release it” (whatever that means) until July. I’ve been waiting on this part since the 19th of Oct, 2021. My guess is it’s sitting on a container ship someplace god only knows where. It might even have been held up by the “Freedom Truckers” up on the Canadian border, I don’t know. The dealership told me those electrical components come out of Asia. I talked with the dealership last month and they said it was not expected to be released by BRP until July. I don’t think it is something you can just take apart, clean and put back together again. I called a number of dealerships in Washington, and after checking their computers, they all told me the same thing, out of stock and not expected to be released by BRP until July.

Hopefully your dealership has one on a shelf in the back room someplace.
 
Here's a little bit clearer copy of the warranty bulletin I happened to come across. I can email you the PDF if you want.

2018 LH switch bulletin pg 1..jpg

2018 LH switch bulletin pg 2.jpg
 
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