Seat Belts

[wmjkweber02]

I have to say, frankly, I am disappointed by the responses in this thread. Most of the responses are about seatbelts on a motorcycle. I did not ask about seatbelts on a motorcycle!! I have ridden two wheels for more than five decades and would not consider it. But a Spyder is not a motorcycle. It does not ride or handle like a motorcycle and most certainly would not behave like one in a collision. My (unsupported) feeling is that my F3L (with armrests, BTW) would most likely stay upright in a minor to moderate collision. Would staying with the machine reduce injuries? I don’t know, and without a real study, no one else does either. Gut feelings (my own included) are often wrong and are no substitute for hard evidence.

In any case, comments about sippy cups, tranquilizers, getting a car, etc. are not helpful and IMO, have no place on a forum that I expected be thoughtful and supportive. I was always told that there are no stupid questions and that an honest question deserves a thoughtful and reasoned response. Obviously not everyone here agrees with that.

I asked a simple question about seat belts on a Spyder. As a retired engineer, I thought it was a perfectly reasonable question. Grisly photos and sarcastic, demeaning, and insulting comments are not what I would have expected from a forum to support riders. Apparently, this subject is an emotional trigger for some people. If there is anything that will get in the way of rational discussion it is raw emotions.

I am not going to get into arguments or a flame war, so this will be my last comment on the subject.

 

[ARtraveler]

It seems to me no one here attempted to attack you. You did not mention seatbelts specifically for a motorcycle...but since this is a Spyder forum...most were right in assuming so.

I see you clarified you were addressing Spyders though in your last paragraph above.

It COULD look like you may have been trying to start an argument...but that is just MY opinion.

You got a broad spectrum of answers, and I don't see anyone out of line. Just my .02

 

[Gwolf]

I would not want to be strapped to anything that only weighs a half ton and might be going up against 2.5 to 3.5 ton, or more, machine in a wreck.

 

[Eckhard]

Seatbelts without a roll cage is looking for trouble. You don't want to be attached to a Spyder if it flips over.

 

[BajaRon]

I have to say, frankly, I am disappointed by the responses in this thread. Most of the responses are about seatbelts on a motorcycle. I did not ask about seatbelts on a motorcycle!! I have ridden two wheels for more than five decades and would not consider it. But a Spyder is not a motorcycle. It does not ride or handle like a motorcycle and most certainly would not behave like one in a collision. My (unsupported) feeling is that my F3L (with armrests, BTW) would most likely stay upright in a minor to moderate collision. Would staying with the machine reduce injuries? I don’t know, and without a real study, no one else does either. Gut feelings (my own included) are often wrong and are no substitute for hard evidence.

In any case, comments about sippy cups, tranquilizers, getting a car, etc. are not helpful and IMO, have no place on a forum that I expected be thoughtful and supportive. I was always told that there are no stupid questions and that an honest question deserves a thoughtful and reasoned response. Obviously not everyone here agrees with that.

I asked a simple question about seat belts on a Spyder. As a retired engineer, I thought it was a perfectly reasonable question. Grisly photos and sarcastic, demeaning, and insulting comments are not what I would have expected from a forum to support riders. Apparently, this subject is an emotional trigger for some people. If there is anything that will get in the way of rational discussion it is raw emotions.

I am not going to get into arguments or a flame war, so this will be my last comment on the subject.

Wow! I think it might be time to take a deep breath and relax! Maybe too much Covid-19 incarceration has had an effect. Personally, I didn't see any of the issues you lament. Other than the crash pictures. Granted, a bit harsh. But posted in good faith to make a point.

Though not 2 wheels, the Spyder is considered a 'Motorcycle'. And though there are differences, as you point out. Seat belts on a Spyder are a bad idea for the same basic reasons that they are a bad idea on a 2 wheeled vehicle.

It is always good to be sure that you actually WANT meaningful answers before you ask the question. Hopefully, we can get this train back on the tracks. And just chalk this one up as an 'Unnecessary Derailment'. As I think the consensus here is that there are better, and safer ways of helping your wife feel more secure on the Spyder. A consensus for which I whole-heartedly agree.

This, I think, is what we all assumed that you wanted to know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAomAwIwxm8

 

[Pennyrick]

I have to say, frankly, I am disappointed by the responses in this thread. Most of the responses are about seatbelts on a motorcycle. I did not ask about seatbelts on a motorcycle!! I have ridden two wheels for more than five decades and would not consider it. But a Spyder is not a motorcycle. It does not ride or handle like a motorcycle and most certainly would not behave like one in a collision. My (unsupported) feeling is that my F3L (with armrests, BTW) would most likely stay upright in a minor to moderate collision. Would staying with the machine reduce injuries? I don’t know, and without a real study, no one else does either. Gut feelings (my own included) are often wrong and are no substitute for hard evidence.

In any case, comments about sippy cups, tranquilizers, getting a car, etc. are not helpful and IMO, have no place on a forum that I expected be thoughtful and supportive. I was always told that there are no stupid questions and that an honest question deserves a thoughtful and reasoned response. Obviously not everyone here agrees with that.

I asked a simple question about seat belts on a Spyder. As a retired engineer, I thought it was a perfectly reasonable question. Grisly photos and sarcastic, demeaning, and insulting comments are not what I would have expected from a forum to support riders. Apparently, this subject is an emotional trigger for some people. If there is anything that will get in the way of rational discussion it is raw emotions.

I am not going to get into arguments or a flame war, so this will be my last comment on the subject.

You provided a rather elaborate response to those who responded to what seemed to be a very simplistic question with some very simple answers. I am sorry that you chose not to explain what you were after in your first post but chose to be critical of those who responded after the fact.

Your question did not invite rational response.

Pennyrick

 

[Cobwebs]

In a minor to moderate collision would staying with the machine reduce injuries? I don’t know, and without a real study, no one else does either. Gut feelings (my own included) are often wrong and are no substitute for hard evidence.

From mild to wild there are plenty that have had the same thought process as yourself,thinking outside the box is what gets stuff done so...……………...:clap:
Being the guinea pig calls for a risk profile your wife may not fit is the problem as I see it.Crash test labs are big bucks operations so we will probably never know.

 

[davev1pa]

I'm sure someone has thought and tried to install seatbelts on a spyder or some variation of one. My first inclination on my first ride was that it was the dynamics and feel for the rider and passenger to be pushed somewhat unnaturally during cornering of a spyder. One gets acclimated quickly as does the passenger. I have seen airbags installed and tested on 2 wheel bikes...I believe there are some bikes that are equipped with airbags as well but not sure. I have not seen any crash dummie demos of a seatbelted 2 wheel or spyder. It would be interesting. However without intensive testing and thoughtful analysis none of us can factually answer this question but in that instance go with your gut . I have armrests for the passenger and squeeze my thighs when I need to during tight corners. I'd be reluctant to be seatbelted.

 

[RICZ]

For many years, there has been a model of the Goldwing that comes with an air bag.

 

[redrazor]

Wow! I think it might be time to take a deep breath and relax! Maybe too much Covid-19 incarceration has had an effect. Personally, I didn't see any of the issues you lament. Other than the crash pictures. Granted, a bit harsh. But posted in good faith to make a point.

Though not 2 wheels, the Spyder is considered a 'Motorcycle'. And though there are differences, as you point out. Seat belts on a Spyder are a bad idea for the same basic reasons that they are a bad idea on a 2 wheeled vehicle.

It is always good to be sure that you actually WANT meaningful answers before you ask the question. Hopefully, we can get this train back on the tracks. And just chalk this one up as an 'Unnecessary Derailment'. As I think the consensus here is that there are better, and safer ways of helping your wife feel more secure on the Spyder. A consensus for which I whole-heartedly agree.

This, I think, is what we all assumed that you wanted to know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAomAwIwxm8

Baja Ron has the right analysis of this "situation" :agree:

 

[Cruzr Joe]

hell no

 

[ARtraveler]

hell no

Tell us how you really feel Joe. :roflblack: :roflblack: :roflblack:

 

[Grandpot]

I'm with Cruzr Joe, No. It doesn't matter if you are strapped in or not; this is an open vehicle and you are going to get hurt in an accident. The only benefit a seat belt would have is to help keep your wife from falling off when she goes to sleep

 

[wiggy1]

Seatbelt bad, wind in your face good (on a bike or trike that is).

 

[PGDoug]

"But a Spyder is not a motorcycle." wmjkweber02

First to answer your question , no I would never want or use a seatbelt on my motorcycle .

My Spyder and all Spyders are Motorcycles . They are tricycles with a motor so in the most basic english that makes them Motorcycles . Just like a bicycle with a motor is a Motorcycle.Attaching a motor to a unicycle would still be considered a Motorcycle ( totally awesome and scary ) but still a motorcycle .

 

[Joel The Biker]

It is actually illegal in ny state to strap any rider to the motorcycle.
Basically, seatbelts may only be used if installed by the manufacturer of the vehicle after meeting federal motor vehicle safety standards. You may not fabricate your own safety belts or attach a set to your vehicle if not originally equipped.

 

[Gwolf]

It is actually illegal in ny state to strap any rider to the motorcycle.
Basically, seatbelts may only be used if installed by the manufacturer of the vehicle after meeting federal motor vehicle safety standards. You may not fabricate your own safety belts or attach a set to your vehicle if not originally equipped.

That makes no sense, but my son lives in NY state and a lot of the laws there make no sense. If there is a total ban on installing seat belts in any vehicle not originally equipped with them, it means that almost all the classic cars that have been preserved or restored would not be allowed to install seat belts for safety. There must be some provision that allows seat belts in the cars from the 50s and early 60s. I owned several cars that were built before seat belts were factory equipment. Cars up to 1964 or 1965 did not come with seat belts. Seat belts were not mandated in new cars until 1968.

 

[wmjkweber02]

"But a Spyder is not a motorcycle." wmjkweber02

First to answer your question , no I would never want or use a seatbelt on my motorcycle .

My Spyder and all Spyders are Motorcycles . They are tricycles with a motor so in the most basic english that makes them Motorcycles . Just like a bicycle with a motor is a Motorcycle.Attaching a motor to a unicycle would still be considered a Motorcycle ( totally awesome and scary ) but still a motorcycle .

Au Contraire! The word motorcycle originated in the 1890's and was short for motorized bicycle ( https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=motorcycle ). I know, my registration says motorcycle. I guess they did not want to start a new classification. This is good, because it means we can ride in the carpool lane. But if the state really considered it a motorcycle they would require a motorcycle license to ride it. Which they do not, at least here in California. At the Can-Am training course they were quite adamant the Spyder is not a motorcycle. In the Spyder owners manual, BRP constantly refers to the Spyder as being different from a motorcycle. The Spyder is horizontally stable, while a motorcycle is not (i.e. it will fall over). The difference is huge.

Finally, put a body on a Spyder and you get the Slingshot, which is also a tricycle configuration. I don't think anyone would consider that a motorcycle. There have been numerous tricycle configuration vehicles over the years. I don't think any of them were referred to as motorcycles.

 

[Gwolf]

Au Contraire! The word motorcycle originated in the 1890's and was short for motorized bicycle ( https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=motorcycle ). I know, my registration says motorcycle. I guess they did not want to start a new classification. This is good, because it means we can ride in the carpool lane. But if the state really considered it a motorcycle they would require a motorcycle license to ride it. Which they do not, at least here in California. At the Can-Am training course they were quite adamant the Spyder is not a motorcycle. In the Spyder owners manual, BRP constantly refers to the Spyder as being different from a motorcycle. The Spyder is horizontally stable, while a motorcycle is not (i.e. it will fall over). The difference is huge.

Finally, put a body on a Spyder and you get the Slingshot, which is also a tricycle configuration. I don't think anyone would consider that a motorcycle. There have been numerous tricycle configuration vehicles over the years. I don't think any of them were referred to as motorcycles.

That is only California. In most other states the 3 wheel motorcycles do require a motorcycle license. In some states you can ride either 2 or 3 wheels with a motorcycle certification, and they also have a 3 wheel certification which only allows operation of 3 wheelers. It is dependent on state laws.

 

[LeftCoast]

Me thinks this thread may have run it's course?